[Mark] >From an moq perspective there are four levels of patterns at work here: 1. The inorganic is increasing in thermal entropy/disorder. (By the way, you recently rejected entropy as a measure of disorder.)
[Case] If the levels work fine, if not, oh well. I am not sure why I rejected this but I am not a physicist, I don't even play one on TV. [Mark] 2. Biological patterns parasitising thermal entropy for an increase in information order. [Case] Biological patterns don't parasite entropy they transform energy and some gets lost along the way as a sort of entropy tax. [Mark] 3. There is no acknowledgement of social patterns in Hawking's account, which is unsurprising. However, Hawking does not exist in a socially conditioned vacuum. [Case] Hawking is not concerned with societies but if you look at the growth in complexity of societies, it follows from an increased ability to use and transform energy. From fire to agriculture and domestic animals to water wheels to steam to internal combustion societies have become increasing complex through the transformation of energy. [Mark] 4. The intellectual patterns of science. Note the paradigm employed by Hawking delineates between energy and information. [Case] Ian or Arlo would be better able to comment on this. I tend to think the information metaphor is over used and can be misleading but then I don't have that firm a grip on the concept. [Mark] No. 6: What do you want? No. 2: In-Form-ation. No. 6: Well, you won't get it! No. 2: By hook or by crook we will. (followed by manic laughter). [Case] I don't get it. (followed by confused but polite laughter.) moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
