Hello, welcome, and please do contribute Omar!!!!
Duality does exist, as you mention. Duality is
found within static quality, as I see it. Dynamic
quality is the aspect of Quality that I also think P.
was referring to as Dao (Tao). What I also know about
Daoist philosophy, which I have incorporated into my
living philosophy and find compatible with the MoQ, is
de/te (Daodejing or Taoteching). Dao is the Way or
Way-making, the 'in-general' perspective. De is focus
or the 'particular' perspective. Amidst this whole
'general' perspective particulars exist. At least
from the philosophical explanation that I'm familiar
with (A Philosophical Translation DAO DE JING: by Ames
and Hall), these particulars can be yang-becoming-yin
or vice versa, meaning the particular expresses yang,
but this particular, though expressing yang, is still
together with yin, therefore yang is expressed in the
particular, yet, this particular is understood as
becoming yin. Particulars are never separated. Yin
and yang are never separate from each other.
Particulars express yin or yang at any given moment,
but the Way is fluid, dynamic and thus at any given
moment yin may be expressing itself from any
particular but yang is still present with the
particular. This is known, as I've stated, as
yin-becoming-yang or yang-becoming-yin, therefore,
dualistic, yes; separate, no. Not separate due to the
mother, Dao, or in the MOQ, due to Quality.
Separation suggests a gap, but their is no gap, earth
touches heaven, nothing is in-between, thus, no
separation. This is also, what I think, is meant by
the black/white yin/yang that you mentioned. How in
black a little circle of white is present and vice
versa. Yin is becoming yang and so forth.
What is currently expounded, discussed, is
dualism is separated or dualism is not separated.
One view states Yin has a gap between itself and
yang. These opposing opposites do not touch, there is
no 'becoming' as I've mentioned above. These two are
opposed, opposite, and no oneness can be
intellectualized.
Another view is that intellect can understand and
think in accord with oneness. Oneness can be
intellectualized and put into thought.
I do understand thought can not incorporate all
of reality and this is why dynamic quality exists.
For no matter how much we intellectualize, experience
socially, biologically conducted, etc... the whole of
reality is not individualized or in any one of these
particular static levels. Primary reality is dynamic
quality.
Any thoughts? Comments? Insight? Or anything in
particular we could continue discussing based on what
you posted below and I may have left out I would be
honored to have a continual dialogue on any of these
particulars.
thanks.
snowy white,
SA (Spiritual Adirondack, which you'll see Heather
Perella come up as to who posted this, but she is my
wife. I just go by SA.)
P.S. Again Welcome and any contributions would be
greatly appreciated!!!
> Hello, all. I just signed up, and this is my first
> post. I have often
> pondered the nature of duality, and so appreciated
> Kevin's post. I will just
> briefly sketch my thoughts, as they arose, while
> reading this thread.
> Whether a real attribute of our inner and outer
> worlds, or just a mental
> construct that facilitates our thinking about these
> worlds, DUALITY EXISTS.
> Does the MoQ strive to resolve dualistic thinking? I
> don't think that it
> strives to do so, but yet it does, in a way...
> In ZMM, P. speaks of reading the Tao Te Ching (TTC)
> and substituting the
> word "Quality" for "Tao", and that this fits
> perfectly. In The TTC, Lao Tzu
> describes the Tao as (paraphrasing and amplifying)
> the mother of heaven and
> earth; the original oneness out of which all things
> arose. Taoist philosophy
> (largely based on TTC) expands this idea in the
> following way: The Tao gives
> rise to the Tai Chi (the duality of yin and yang,
> commonly known as the
> Yin-Yang and represented by the familiar design of a
> circle, 1/2 black-1/2
> white, divided down its center by a curving line,
> and with a dot of white in
> the black and vice versa). The Tai Chi is a
> representation the duality of
> the universe--the two equal and opposing energies of
> yin and yang; it would
> be easy to get lost in the profound truth of this
> duality and to forget that
> there is a more profound truth: The oneness from
> which this duality arose.
> The Tao. Or, if you like, Quality. Pirsig wasn't
> kidding: they really are
> interchangable!
> Kevin, as to your question about Buddhists' saying
> that "Life is Suffering",
> I believe that (from the little that I know about
> Buddhism) they are
> referring to the fact that they strive to reach
> enlightenment (Satori), but
> that the very fact that they are striving for Satori
> guarantees that they
> will never reach Satori, as to reach this state you
> have to abandon all
> desires. Since this is not possible, for us mortals,
> then all of life is a
> struggle--a suffering--to come as close to the pie
> without taking a bite.
> I was very happy to have found this forum, and will
> hopefully be
> contributing more, with the kind permission of the
> established members.
>
> Omar Canosa
> 2/14/07
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