Hi to you David. On 28 Feb. you quoted yours sincerely ...
> > To see their reality as "absolute" is what the human beings have > > done - always. The social level age regarded their respective > > mythological world-views as absolute, no one regarded it as myths or > > provisional, but then there were no skeptics around, because such > > are part of intellect. So is the term "truth" contrasted to "mere > > opinion" which was the first variety of SOM. Later it developed into > > objectivity contrasted to subjectivity (mind/matter) as we know it > > as. and said: > DM: SOM claims we can extract values from experience to > establish objective truths. This is bogus as MOQ points out. > This fantasy was a simplification that helped us progress our > knowledge for awhile, but MOQ shows it is bogus and that > we need to be able to understand how knowledge is grounded in > experience. You seem to think otherwise. It took some time before I saw the relevance to my above, but finally. In writing LILA Pirsig refused to see the obvious SOM=intellect and this forced him make SOM a "bogus" that had invaded the intellectual level. What this level had been before SOM is a mystery, if we superimpose LILA on ZMM it looks like the Aretê age, but that can't be, as it clearly belongs to the social level. Anyway, this resulted in his complaints as if SOM had blinded intellect to its social origin. But no level knows anything about levels or origin in previous levels, Pirsig's fallacy was that of insisting that intellect is what contains the MOQ and - as said - hadn't it been for the abominable SOM it would have had a clear view to the Quality context. But did the social level see the said context when IT was top notch? NB! In ZMM it does look like Aretê is identical to Quality (DQ) and that SOM came along and threw existence out of its bliss, but in this view life as an animal would have been even greater bliss, not to speak of death (inorganic existence) or Nirvana itself of only DQ? However the MOQ does not fit this. In it the overall picture belongs to the meta-level above its own static range, and in that picture SOM is intellectual "bogus" out of social "bogus" ...and so on downwards. All static levels are "bogus", only the DQ/SQ dualism is not. IMO Bo moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
