[Platt] Now the MOQ level has arrived and people can think about intellect as a static value pure and simple, thus bypassing paradox, recursions, strange loops and infinite regress
[Arlo] I'm sorry, Platt, gonna have to disagree with you on this. The only way to "bypass" strange loops is to avoid "intellection" altogether. The "out" in the MOQ is the pre-intellectual, "mystical" inclusion brought in via Buddhism (for example). One simply can't "think about thinking", even using MOQ-terminology, and avoid paradox, recursion and loops. What the MOQ does is make evident the "event horizon" surrounding Quality. When Pirsig says "all this is just an analogy", he includes within it the MOQ itself. Sure, the MOQ gives us a better way to intellectually carve-up our experiences, and does not divide us from the world as does SOM, but as an intellectual system, as a metaphysics, its descriptions can contain experience without paradox. Indeed, the key difference is that while SOM is blind to this, and actively seeks an intellectual "literal truth", the MOQ embraces it, and says that that core experience can only be seen through analogy, metaphor, art, can only be glimpsed pre-intellectually. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
