Ron and All. On 21 Mar. you said:
> [Ron] > I think from the evidence I've found, that Jesus was created in the > first century by greeks A neoplatonic analogy of the perfect form of > man. I feel christianity was created by neoplatonic Philosophers, but that's another thread. That the Christ was created by the "Christians" is plain. And that the later official Christendom was influenced by Greek ideas and that Aristotle became a Church authority is also well known. But my point is what the actual person Jesus (or Joshua) was "up to" in his day, and it would be a miracle if not the first stirrings of the said ideas (intellect or SOM) had reached the various Roman provinces. The Romans weren't exactly leading edge re. human rights yet we see the outline of modernity in their rule. The law had become an "objective" realm, no longer fetched from divine revelations as is the core of the "social" reality of the Semitic cultures. So I still maintain that Jesus had picked up the vibrations of the "intellectual" times to come. This could not be tolerated by the High Priests who used his (Jesus') talk about "new kingdom"... etc - that the Romans perceived as political - to have them execute him by proxy. > Islam united the pagan tribes of Arabia under > mercy. Mohomad demonstrated mercy to his enemies promoting unity and > equality through the mercy of one god. Islamic mercy regarding people that bows under their yoke is well known. No sarcasm. Life INSIDE that culture may be very benign, one may at times envy their Sharia law when it comes to our lenient treatment of criminals, but it's intellectually stagnant (see my "history class" talk to Platt). > Christianity is not without it's terrorism, was'nt long ago Belfast > was a war zone and london Being bombed. I feel it is a cultural clash > not religeous but our religeons are so tied to our culture that It > becomes difficult to distinguish between the two. You just say it, the North Ireland Catholics vs Protestant was/is NOT a religious conflict. And compared to Al Qaida the IRA terror was almost endearing, warning in beforehand as not to kill innocent bystanders. So was the Basque ETA and I guess both gave up as a result of the new Islamist terror that displayed unbound cruelty. As I see it Western intellectual civilization has just managed to distance the outer objective world from the inner subjective one and disarmed the religions by this split, becoming a mere "faith" and saving of "souls", a distinction unknown to the Islam mind-set where the martyrs are supposed to end up in Paradise with every corporeal lusts satisfied. One sees the relationship with the mythologies of old. > Ideally, the Bible > the Quran and the Torah All are about the same god they all say > basically the same thing, it's the accepted cultural Terminology and > values that are clashing. Well, this is the ecumenical mantra. In a way it resembles the MOQ tenet of a Quality remaining undivided by the DQ/SQ split. I don't buy it, the Dynamic/Static divide IS the MOQ. There is no "god" outside Allah or Javeh or God. Amen Bo moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
