Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Arlo] > So driving a delivery truck is an intellectual activity. Pretty much > everything > is I gather, including organized religion (which requires as much organization > as a football team).
Driving a truck, no. Designing and figuring out what's wrong with a truck, yes. Theology is definitely intellectual, as is the theory of evolution. > [Platt] > ... those who work for a living are more moral than those who live off the > work > of others. > > [Arlo] > No. Those who value human life more than wealth are more moral than those who > do > not. You value the life of a Hussein more than Bill Gates? Wow! > [Platt] > Considering that civilization depends on the wealth creators, not the > parasites, > I think it's the only state of affairs that makes moral sense. > > [Arlo] > Let's take a scenario. Joe works all his life as a miner in West Virginia. One > day, the mine closes and he is unemployed. He takes a job as a cashier at a > local Gas-N-Sip, but doesn't earn enough to afford medical insurance. Soon > after, his daughter is diagnosed with cancer. Should she or should she not > receive medical attention? What sort of medical attention do you have in mind? > Change the scenario. He lands a new job that does provide health insurance, > but > his daughter's cancer was previously diagnosed and his new insurance won't > cover existing illnesses, so her coverage is dropped. Should she or should she > not receive medical attention. Same question as above. > [Platt] > Without guns, no government has power. Mobs are the least reliable source for > forming governments. > > [Arlo] > A government derives its mandate from the people. Those who live therein > voluntarily abide by its laws... laws that are socially-derived. Or you could > move away... Tell that to the people of Russia under Stalin, or of China under Mayo, or those currently under ayatollahs in Iran. > [Platt] > Guess you have a hard time telling the difference between a voluntary and a > forced association. > > [Arlo] > Well, in that case taxes are voluntary too. You could choose not to partake in > the economy, as Case suggests, or you could simply move away. No one is > forcing > you to stay in America? Or forcing you to partake of our economy? Are they, > Platt?? Seems to be you are quite free to become a hobo or move to another > country. Taxes are voluntary? Even a bum pays sales taxes for a bottle of win. As for the "move if you don't like it here" argument, I'm surprised you resort to that. > [Arlo] > And I voluntarily (and gladly) support our social safety net as well... to > preserve the value of human life. Seems to me the value of human life did just fine before there was any such thing as a social "safety net." This country wasn't built by people seeking handouts. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
