Mati, Magnus and ... David M (see last line).
Re. Mati's post of Apr.1
Great stuff, I will only address the Q-scientific issue. You will see
that I have delivered a post ("The MOQ and the sciences") in the
meantime. Hopefully it clears things up, but it's a maddening
difficult area.
I had said to Magnus:
> > > I do see the correlation between SCIENTIFIC biology and ditto >
> > > sociology.
And Magnus - demonstrating his will to misunderstand -
commented:
> > Well, since science your only view to reality, that will have to do I
> > guess.
Mati:
> Bodvar, say it isn't so!!!! ;-)
Rest assured, my view is the MOQ and it says that the sciences
belong to the 4th. level and - consequently - already been
transformed into Q-patterns. Again: The premises for physics -
that of a subject studying objects - the S/O aggregate - has
become intellect's static value.
Pirsig's point with a Q-physics seems to have been to explain the
vagaries of Quantum Physics, but he makes it sound as if only
"particles" are inorganic patterns, but forces and fields - even
causation - are inorganic patterns as well, thus a Q-physics sheds
no explanatory light on things.
It's all superfluous. While intellect was S/O metaphysics, and
philosophy had SOM as its premises, the Quantum weirdness
made the physical world disappear into subjectivism. All this is
changed by the MOQ, it shows that the weirdness was caused by
"substance" being regarded fundamental while REALLY being
part of a static level ... not part of the 1st. level, but of the 4th!!!
The static inorganic level however is NOT "substance" and
consequently displays no weirdness, it only reveals its dynamic
foundation when prodded deep enough - like all levels do. But -
again - science must treat the world AS IF it is a PHYSICAL
WORLD, but with the real Q-context in mind it causes no qualms
BTW. Isn't this what Phenomenology calls "bracketing"? David
Morey. Aren't you the expert here?
Hopefully a bit more clear.
Bodvar
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