Hi Arlo, Inserted ...
On 4/10/07, Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Ian] > I'm practically an addict of late night live music joints; trouble is > I always fall for it, buy the artist's often amateur produced CD, > take it home and 9 times out of 10 ask myself why did I do that - > sure it sounded better through the smoke and alcohol ? > > Of course the answer is easy - dynamic quality - one time in 10 > (maybe a hundred) you've found a gem that repays the disappointments. > > [Arlo] > I'm sure the DQ->SQ transition is a big part of it, but I'm not sure > its the only part. I think a lot of it has to do with moving the > "music" out of the "context". [IG] Agreed - I think we'd already agreed on the "context" in my paraphrase of your previous post, I was just adding colour :-) As you are, for example ... > When I lived in Chicago years ago, we > used to frequent the Kingston Mines, an authentic, hidden, downright > smokey and tiny blues club. I saw the same musicians several times, > and each time was literally swept away by the experience. The same CD > at home seemed impotent. When I first heard "Beethoven's 9th" > performed live I was blown away, even after hearing the music on CD > many, many times. [IG] Agreed. My musical tastes are predominantly blues-rock by choice, but I have nevertheless experienced the adrenaline of a classic orchestra and opera chorus in full flow in the live concert hall - nearly as good as a stack of Marshall's ;-) - and the emotion of a poignant melodic line or voice hanging in a large space. Same with a choir and boy soprano's in a large traditional reverberant church environment too. Interesting, being swept away / caught up is an important part of the experience - participation I think I said. One of my pet hates is attending a concert / gig with someone who doesn't want to "get into it" - it is such an inhibiting experience. Better to be alone in a crowd than in a small group. (when did this turn into a therapy session ?) The reason is that there is more to the > "experience" than "me" and "object", context is always relevant, > whether its a hushed concert hall or the sweaty bowels of the > Kingston Mines. And don't mistake this for "live" versus "memorex", > we all have songs (I'm sure) that are amazing in one context, like > when on the road driving or walking across town or whatever, but when > removed from that just seem to suffer. Listening to Radar Love while > traveling the long night along southbound on I-79 is still almost a > religious experience for me. Same song sitting in my office, not so much. [IG] Intersting - Ah yes, night driving tunes - I'd probably have the same reaction to Radar Love, in fact I have instant evocation of a bar in Perth, WA, where it played incessantly on the juke-box, in fact can't stop tapping the base line on the mouse as I sit here aaaaggghhh .... I also have a handful of really important "driving" tunes, and other specific situational tunes - I won't bore everyone with my playlists - (I have a worryingly long list of tunes that bring a tear to the eye and a quiver to the lip, in the right situation) - but there is another important angle here Arlo. There are the specific associations between tunes heard in previous life situations, and the emotional connections with those situations, as well as the direct relationships between a tune and it's context and an isolated single experience of that. > > And... just to tease this into a fun direction, I am convinced that > the "pub" experience is also heightened by imbibing in ale. Like > Pirsig's peyote experience, alcohol can serve to loosen the static > perceptions and clear our mind of the static cobwebs of life. And in > the right situation can leave us extra-susceptible to potential DQ > moments. Of course, it can also cloud our mind as well. Balance is > always the key. (Just for an example, there are ample studies > demonstrating that moderate alcohol consumption can increase one's > ability to learn a foreign language. Of course, too much will leave > you just south of the Tower of Babel.) :-) Too right. Though I actually think this is related to the inhibition of "getting into it" I mentioned earlier - in the right group in the right crowd - no artificial stimulants necessary, even though they may still enhance the experience, in moderation naturally. Ian > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
