Hi Case Don't you find you have to assume other people are subjects too to get along with them? If not, I'd be surprised if you bother to answer as it won't mean alot to us objects!
David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Case" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) > Micah and Ron, > > In my world there is only one subject, Me. Everything else is an object > including you guys. Using "subject" in the plural is inappropriate. > > Case > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Micah > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:45 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) > > Ron, > > Subjects have awareness, do object have awareness? If they do, then > demonstrate. If they do not, then Quality must arise from subject becoming > aware of object and reside in the subject. > > Or not...need to think. > > Micah > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Kulp > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) > > > Micah, Jos, > >>From subjects, objects,data and values > By Robert Pirsig > > > "Eventually my unusual teaching methods came to the attention of the > other professors in the department and in a friendly way they asked the > question that connects all this with the struggles of Niels Bohr: "is > quality in the subject or in the object?" The answer that was finally > given was, "neither, Quality is a separate category of experience that > is neither subject or object." This was the beginning of the system of > thought called the Metaphysics of Quality. It has lasted for more than > 35 years now. The question today is, if Niels Bohr had given that answer > would his system of Complementarity have been improved? > > In the Metaphysics of Quality the world is composed of three things: > mind, matter and Quality. Because something is not located in the object > does not mean that it has to be located in your mind. Quality cannot be > independently derived form either mind or matter. But it can be derived > from the relationship of mind and matter with each other. Quality occurs > at the point at which subject and object meet. Quality is not a thing. > It is an event. It is the event at which the subject becomes aware of > the object. And because without objects there can be no subject, quality > is the event at which awareness of both subjects and objects is made > possible. Quality is not just the result of a collision between subject > and object. The very existence of subject and object themselves is > deduced from the Quality event. The Quality event is the cause of the > subjects and objects, which are then mistakenly presumed to be the cause > of the Quality! " > > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
