David, agreed explanation is "sense-making". But not sure why law implies deism. Evolution is the result of circumstance - things are the way they are (laws) because that's the way they are. Similar patterns recur in different situations and levels because they are the "preferred" solution to all those dynamically interacting laws across many levels - preferred in some efficient / elegant / quality sense, not some conscious will sense .....
But we've debated this before - we're bumping up against what our metaphors of will and consciouness really reflect about our experience (your comment to Ham) Ian On 4/12/07, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Ian > > Yes, I can make sense of choice and accident, > but law seems to assume deism. Choice I think means > some kind of preference or lure. Why repeat or avoid? > A matter of experienced quality? > > David M > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ian glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] Heads or tails? > > > > Assuming you were talking chaotic patterns in repeated calculations ? > > > > Interesting, it's an accurate metaphor in the sense that the rounding > > limits - in a calculating machine - are properties of the machine that > > manifest themselves in the patterns. > > > > ie the patterns are part of physical laws, but they are inherent in > > the process of interaction, calculation upon calculation, rather than > > the static machine. > > > > The attractors (patterns) exist but they exist in a "strange" dynamic > > space. > > > > David's "Why" is of course a mixed question of explanation and/or purpose > > ... ? > > > > Ian > > > > On 4/12/07, Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Case/Ron > >> > >> The real mystery is why are there patterns and repeats? > >> > >> David M > >> > >> David, > >> My hunch is the manifestation of static quality. > >> The value mechanism called quality is the real mystery to me > >> Did you catch any of the 2+2=5 rounding error posts > >> That Case and I kicked around? I feel the rounding > >> Limit in mathmatics is a perfect example and a relaivly > >> Accurate metaphor for this phenomena. > >> -Ron > >> > >> > >> moq_discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >> > > moq_discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
