Ian Law=deism, well when it got into science, the history of metaphor of course, what's a law without a law maker? So a metaphor with a dodgy assumption.
When we say law are we not saying form of behaviour that just happens to repeat sometimes or alot? Pattern or repeat is a better more neutral term/metaphor. David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Heads or tails? > David, agreed explanation is "sense-making". > > But not sure why law implies deism. > Evolution is the result of circumstance - things are the way they are > (laws) because that's the way they are. Similar patterns recur in > different situations and levels because they are the "preferred" > solution to all those dynamically interacting laws across many levels > - preferred in some efficient / elegant / quality sense, not some > conscious will sense ..... > > But we've debated this before - we're bumping up against what our > metaphors of will and consciouness really reflect about our experience > (your comment to Ham) > > Ian > > On 4/12/07, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Ian >> >> Yes, I can make sense of choice and accident, >> but law seems to assume deism. Choice I think means >> some kind of preference or lure. Why repeat or avoid? >> A matter of experienced quality? >> >> David M >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ian glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Heads or tails? >> >> >> > Assuming you were talking chaotic patterns in repeated calculations ? >> > >> > Interesting, it's an accurate metaphor in the sense that the rounding >> > limits - in a calculating machine - are properties of the machine that >> > manifest themselves in the patterns. >> > >> > ie the patterns are part of physical laws, but they are inherent in >> > the process of interaction, calculation upon calculation, rather than >> > the static machine. >> > >> > The attractors (patterns) exist but they exist in a "strange" dynamic >> > space. >> > >> > David's "Why" is of course a mixed question of explanation and/or >> > purpose >> > ... ? >> > >> > Ian >> > >> > On 4/12/07, Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Case/Ron >> >> >> >> The real mystery is why are there patterns and repeats? >> >> >> >> David M >> >> >> >> David, >> >> My hunch is the manifestation of static quality. >> >> The value mechanism called quality is the real mystery to me >> >> Did you catch any of the 2+2=5 rounding error posts >> >> That Case and I kicked around? I feel the rounding >> >> Limit in mathmatics is a perfect example and a relaivly >> >> Accurate metaphor for this phenomena. >> >> -Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> moq_discuss mailing list >> >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> Archives: >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> > moq_discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > >> >> >> moq_discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
