Platt to Arlo: You seem to be saying that everything that happens is a response to DQ because "all things experience" and "DQ is the cutting edge of experience." Is that correct? Hi Platt I'd say everything that happens IS DQ, and that all "things" ARE experience. If something is a static pattern in "something else" then it's constituent material IS that "something else". A eddy in water is still water.
Static patterns change into new static patterns and that isn't a "response to DQ" it IS DQ. An animal is a static pattern in dynamic quality - the divide between static and dynamic is one of derivative order, its all the same stuff. A SOM approach to an animal is to say either it has mind separate from its matter, or that it's all matter. You're mapping SOM onto MOQ (per Pirsig's own model (SODV)) and assigning biological SQ to within the matter realm. To be explicit you seem to say: Humans are "mind" and "matter" (SQ meets DQ) animals are all "matter" (SQ). You can quite happily have that view within the MOQ, but as I see it, it's not an MOQ question in the first place - Debating the degree to which an animal exerts free will is the same discussion in a scientific setting as it is in a metaphysical one, and neither provides an answer. Proper zealous application of a(neo)MOQ should (IMO) exclude all this. DQ being synonymous with experience/awareness, any static pattern written in it cannot be divorced from it. No dividing lines. An animal, (like a rock and like a human) does stuff, and it "does stuff" because it has unknown but deonstrably real motives, these may be very simple, but; a preference/ is a preference/ is a probability/ is a value. The DQ is what the animal is, so it can't help but have direction, alongside this there is the pattern that describes it's form and its behaviours but these are the "hows" not the "whys". Mechanisitic explantions of behaviours lead to infinite regress, you never get to a motive, DQ solves that but only if its reach is extended to (exhaustively) all things. Lila sets humans apart 'cos its just wrong. Jos This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and inform the sender by return e-mail. This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and inform the sender by return e-mail. This e-mail (whether you are the sender or the recipient) may be monitored, recorded and retained by the Ministry of Justice. E-mail monitoring / blocking software may be used, and e-mail content may be read at any time. You have a responsibility to ensure laws are not broken when composing or forwarding e-mails and their contents. The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet Anti-Virus service supplied by Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2006/04/0007.) On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
