Hi Krim

When an analysis of our evolutionary past seems to
offer some greater understanding of how we
live in modern societies I for one welcome it.
It also seems to offer some hope we can live
in ways that are less likely to result in violence.

David M


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Is morality Hard Wired?


> [Platt]
> You don't see evolution as history? We're talking hard-wired here due to
> evolutionary processes.
>
> [Krimel]
> Ok maybe I did not go slow enough but do try to keep up. Historic times 
> are
> those after the invention of writing. The enormous period before that
> momentous even some 12,000 year ago, is call prehistory. As in prehistoric
> cavemen and prehistoric monsters.
>
>> Human experience since the invention of history has been at odds with the
>> experience out of which we developed. But please note as I said a couple
> of
>> times there is a distinction between within and between group violence.
>> Being at odds with strangers is also a part of inherited morality. It is
>> particularly dangerous in historic times because there are so many more
>> strangers about.
>
> [Platt]
> Yes, but the whole discussion began because a couple of scientists claimed
> we are hardwired to be benevolent. Are you suggesting that cavemen where
> Christ-like but since human history began we've become little Eichmans?
>
> [Krimel]
> In "The Science of Good and Evil" Shermer talks about the evolution of 
> both
> kinds of morality, (note good and evil in the title). He does not say that
> prehistoric people were good; only that they lived in groups that
> approximate the number of people our brains are large enough to know
> personally. Knowing these details about people in our communities allows 
> for
> kinds of social control over behavior that are not as effective when 
> dealing
> with people we do not know.
>
>
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