DM,

Drat, I guess that flushes my dream of absolute morality down the tubes
then.

Krimel

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Krimel

I think you have a point and Pirsig does not fully address it.
Although I think consideration of the levels can help
us to make moral decisions but it is a help not a full solution.

DM

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> DM,
>
> Not bad, but here is a troublesome thought. It is one thing for Pirsig to
> say that it is better for a doctor to kill a germ that to let the germ 
> kill
> a man. But is that a license to kill? Is it moral for humans to kill of
> whole species? Especially when the choice to commit specicide is more a
> matter of human convenience than survival.
>
> I have always been a bit troubled by the idea that it is better for an 
> idea
> to kill a society than visa versa. What if it is a really bad idea?
>
> Krimel
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Hi Krim
>
> Well bad stuff happens, Pirsig does not comment on this
> much. I'd say that the MOQ does allow for lower levels
> destroying higher ones for their own low level values,
> eg rock and bugs versus society and intellectuals.
> Also I think the higher levels have greater freedom to
> do what they want with the lower levels. Hence,humans
> can destroy eco systems for their values and ignore
> dependencies.
>
> Any use?
>
> DM
>
> ------------------------
>
>> DM
>> Even overcoming selfish genes you might say.
>>
>> All tendencies, few iron laws. Also DQ can clearly
>> be very destructive, change is potentially dangerous.
>>
>> [Krimel]
>> Perhaps if we stuck to really short sentences, we would never disagree at
>> all. ;->
>>
>> But just to potentially ruin a good thing, how do you personally 
>> reconcile
>> this with the Pirsig's idea of DQ as "betterness"?
>>


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