Ha, nice one Platt, In your rush to turn everything into a liberal vs conservative agenda - in your new found specialist role as commentator on NHS issues in the British press (two subjects in which I suspect you are a novice - don't talk to me about quality in immediate aesthetic experience when it suits you - you contemptible evil fraud) - you miss the fact that this forum is about philosophical issues - not headlines that sell copy.
The real point is that the terms "as a result of" and "caused by" are just useless concepts for intelligent debate about an issue like this. And statistics ? ... nuff said. I really do not care whether the UK stats are "better" (ie bigger or smaller, nothing to do with quality, notice) than Italy, Austria, USA, Costa Rica or Slovenia. What I care about is debate that improves decision-making in health care - or any complex human situation, anywhere. Your agenda is much more obvious and stuck in an ancient rut Platt. Ian On 6/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > [Ian] > > Agreed - who on earth would want health care whose quality was reduced to > > meaningless numbers and statistics. > > > > [Arlo] > > Yeah, our system of Social Darwinism is soooo much better than those evil > > Brits > > and their "everyone gets treatment" bile. Let the poor and uninsured die > > like > > they should, and decrease the surplus population. > > > > Not to mention that no one in the American Health Care System is reduced to > > numbers and statistics...why, ours is a magical land where elves and pixie > > faeries hand out lollipops and gumdrops and everyone is treated like a human > > being... well, everyone who can PAY that is... methinks the Oompa Loompas > > have > > taken over the Chocolate Factory. > > > > Either that or the Master Baiter is goin' fishin' again. > > > > Now stop being sensible and Kill the Poor, as Jello would say. > > In their eagerness to smear those they disagree with, liberals like Ian, Arlo > and Krimel easily bypass truth: > > >From Scotland's Daily Record, June 4, 2007 > > 462,000 DEATHS CAUSED BY NHS > Failings are revealed > By Natalie Walker > > POOR NHS treatment has led to almost half a million Scots dying in the last > 30 years, > a new study has revealed. > > Doctors at Glasgow University found that between 1974 and 2003, a total of > 462,000 > people died in Scotland as a result of health service failings > > It means Scotland has one of the highest avoidable death rates in western > Europe. > > The study examined the number of deaths caused by a lack of "timely and > effective > health care". > > The vast majority of people - around 250,000 - who died due to inadequate or > delayed > treatment were heart or stroke patients. > > Another 7300 had cancer and slightly more than 2000 were pneumonia patients. > > The study revealed that avoidable deaths among men in Scotland over the time > period > was 176 for every 100,000 people. > > This compared with 159 in Portugal, 129 in Austria and 100 in Italy. > > Rates for women were 123 per 100,000, also higher than every other European > country > investigated. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
