Hi Platt

Savings account? is that like the opposite of a student loan?
;.)

My questions were too oblique, I try again:
You said (roughly) 
People who are prevented from owning property are slaves

I said 
I am prevented from owning property by financial circumstance and am therefore 
a slave

Platt 
Any figures on my statement are property, therefore I am not a slave

Jos
I infer from your statement, that you would consider my debts to invalidate my 
claims to slave-hood, and I counter this inferred argument by asserting that 
most modern day "slaves" also infact have debts.

A "supposed debt" would be one that was unfairly imposed on a person, like if I 
paid for your air fare to bring you to the UK and then tricked you into giving 
me your passport, before demanding under menaces that you work as a prostitue 
untill you pay back the airfare, all the while charging you "rent" on the house 
in which I keep you confined that exceeds the tiny commission I allow you to 
"earn" from each of your punters.

I used "citizenship" in that context as the alternative state of being to 
"slavery", there doesn't have to be an imigration angle invoved. Just consider 
a hypothetical slave owning society where reisdents are classified as either 
"slave" or "citizen" and the one is under the heel of the other. 

Any further thoughts based on these clarifications?


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> Quoting "Laycock, Jos (OSPT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > They only represent property if they're positive figures.....
> 
> You have negative figures in your bank checking or savings account?
> 
> > Auwful lot of "bonded labourers" in the world who are 
> considered to be slaves by
> > most organisations, who work for no pay owing to 
> arrangements made wth their
> > employers to repay supposed debts.
> 
> "Supposed debts?" What's a "supposed" debt as compared to an 
> actual debt?
>  
> > An "account" can be any credit arrangement, doesn't have to 
> mean you get
> > statements from the bank of america. 
> 
> I get a statement every month from Bank of America. It's a 
> bill for my VISA
> card purchases.
> 
> > Does the ownership of a debt confer citizenship?
> 
> How is citizenship relevant to owning property? Aren't there 
> plenty of illegal
> workers in this country who are in debt? You think we should 
> grant them amnesty
> if they are given loans to buy cars?
> 
> Platt
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