Hi Focus.
I noticed Rick's query about Pirsig's statement about time
> What I'm really interested in is a more
> explicit statement of the conflict with the MoQ...
> I remember that Pirsig wrote in a letter to... somebody (maybe
Bo?)
> that time is one first static patterns to emerge from DQ (does
anybody
> else remember this???). This developmental placement of time
puts it
> squarely in the realm of IPoVs, the first patterns. As such, time
> would be one of those "laws of nature by which inorganic
patterns
> triumph over chaos (LILA p.183)." --- This would seem to suggest
(at
> least to me) that the MoQ would describe time not as "fixed" per
se...
> but rather just "more fixed" than chaos... which leaves room for
> relativity....right?
and checked my "Pirsig letters" file, but did not find it there. It
might have been in a letter to Anthony McWatt though, at least I
am pretty sure that Rick is right about this.
Then I wondered if there weren't a place in LILA where Pirsig says
that time&space are Intellectual patterns, but did not find that
either, rather he says that gravity is an inorganic pattern of value.
He actually says ..."the law of gravity " (p.147) and that I find a
little peculiar, the law aspect of the data that things fall is
Intellect's business IMO. On the same page he also talks about
the infamous Second Law and that Life deliberately works around
these laws.
I understand perfectly what Pirsig says, but the "feeling of weight"
and the "fear of falling" (because experience had taught that no-
one can put hupty-dumpty together again) which is Life's
experience of gravity and thermo-dynamics, weren't LAWS before
intellect. I remember that Struan ridiculed this by asking if flies
were higher on the evolutionary scale than mankind (bless him for
never letting contradictions go unnoticed by :-)
Now, doesn't time falls into the same category? That is: time as
such. The mere phrase "as such" indicates an objective quantity
independent of a subjective sense of present, past and future
which all living organisms harbour (instinctively as we say). This
goes for space as well.
This will possibly raise the (old) objection that in the case that time
is an InPOV then everything is Intellect and again I have to bring
my equally old postulate that the Quality Intellect isn't "mind", but
the distinction between what is objective and what is subjective.
The last passage by Rick:
--- This would seem to suggest (at
> least to me) that the MoQ would describe time not as "fixed" per
se...
> but rather just "more fixed" than chaos... which leaves room for
> relativity....right?
Is good and says the same thing .... except for the "relativity" part.
That along with any special "quantum level" I find difficult to
digest.
Bo
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