Sam Can you clarify two things for me.
1) Often people talk about intellect in terms of logic/maths on this site. Do you consider Freud/Weber intellectuals? Clearly they are concerned with redescribing society and human understanding. Often by using new language and metaphors. Poets also do similar things, so are poets intellectuals? 2) Quality is linked by Pirsig to experience. Therefore when choices are being made with respect to quality this does imply judgement, but is not judgement always implied when choice and quality are brought together? When you say that atoms are influenced by quality when combining do you imply that atoms have a form of experience to be able to move towards what has the greater quality? Perhaps there is a form of natural selection at this level but as there are no fossils of failed versions of water for example we have not been able to work it out. I think the incredible importance of the successful version of water for the forms of life we have is somehow suspicious. Of course, life influences the presence of water on the planet as well by recycling it. Are you making any distinction between what is quality for human beings and what is quality when there is not what we nornally think of as an experience of quality? 3) I find it hard to see what we mean by the social level in isolation as if this could exist without the activity of human intelligence. All traditions and customs and productive practices have been created and enabled to endure with implied intention/use/purpose. If purpose/use/intention have been recognised then intelligence is at work. What we seem to mean on this site by intellgence is something more individualistic, abstract, and aimed in the direction of rapid social change and development of increasing DQ possibiliities. Individualistic intelligence seems to begin when DQ opens up, when it becomes realised that how we live now and what we think now is open to change and improvement and challenge. But before written history and rapid change there was a very slow development of intelligence that contains stuff like wouldn't this wheel thing make out lives better, only the grasp of the implications of change brought by the wheel may have been very limited. And I guess it was not abstractly drawn out on a planning board, but is it so very different to a moon shot? I do not want to go off topic but thought it might help to understand your position if you can clarify the above. thanks David Morey MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_focus/ MF Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from moq_focus follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/mf/subscribe.html
