David M. and Foci. 28 Dec. You said:
Bo prev: > NOTA BENE!! In the said example above intellects S/O value > (objectivity-over-subjectivity) is plain to see, so plain that I wonder > how anyone can avoid seeing it. Just as obvious is emotions as the > social "expression" and reason as intellect's, and in light of the > dependency issue one sees emotions' role as what underpins > reason. Why you consider this aspect of the MOQ as imperfect is > very strange. > DM: I agree that SOM, which implies only the distinction, generally > becomes the value "objectivity-over-subjectivity" but this is not > true of the great German idealist tradition that is the other way round and > has a great deal to say about reason and is more the concern of European > post-modernism than the "objectivity-over-subjectivity" that is really the > value of modern secular techno-scientific society. That the subject/object-METAPHYSICS has 2 - two - components an idealist and a materialist one I have harped on since God knows when, but the SOM removed of its metaphysical 'M' and given the role of MOQ's intellectual level ...means the VALUE of the S/O distinction. Neither the idealist nor the materialist is "right" any longer because the rightness is taken over by the MOQ. > I think that your formual > intellect=SOM I find very odd when I have been educated mainly in the German idealist > tradition in the humanities I see your point perfectly and at the start of my SOL "campaign" - when the formula was "intellect=SOM" - it could look as if I had overlooked the idealist half, but with the "intellect=the value of the S/O distinction" form it aught to be crystal clear. > but with dualism turned materialist in the sciences. I > agrre very much with Pirsig with respect to science, but there is a big tradition in > the > European humanities (also some US pragmatism) that is not based on the > "objectivity-over-subjectivity" value. I know, but please David: It's the subject/object dualism (here in the idealist/materialist form) that the MOQ says is WRONG ...and what it is supposed to replace with its own DQ/SQ dualism. Haven't you understood this elementary fact yet? > We have been happy in Europe to talk alot ion the humanties about the > subjective-experiencing-self over the objective-groundless-limited-sciences. Exactly. ;-) Wishing you all a Happy New year Bo MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_focus/ MF Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from moq_focus follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/mf/subscribe.html
