Hello Sam and msh and All, Mark 23-05-05: msh replied to Sam: It is neither. It's more like this:
UNKNOWN NEXT LEVEL ^ L4 -> DQ ^ L3 -> DQ ^ L2 -> DQ ^ L1 -> DQ Mark 23-05-05: I agree with msh. Further, the little vertical arrows Mark H places between each level provide a good representation Coherence: '...each static level is placed in a hierarchy from the inorganic (lower value or coherence) to the intellectual (higher value or coherence) i.e. the earliest levels (in cosmological history) are perceived in the MOQ as less 'valuable' than subsequent ones... '...cosmological evolution, far from undermining the idea of a spiritual universe, actually supports the idea of at least a universal tendency towards sophisticated value states without having to hold the more extreme notions of a pre-ordained design or pure chance (as suggested by Jacques Monod). Moreover, if a universal tendency towards coherency and freedom reflects the 'Good' then possibly 'Evil' (to refer to the quote at the beginning of this chapter) is the universal tendency towards chaos i.e. the breakdown of static levels to lower ones (as manifested, for instance, in the end of a civilisation or the biological death of an individual). (McWatt 2004b, p. 91) Mark 23-05-05: Sam's May 2005 topic question wishes to explore individual worth and the MOQ. DQ is both motivator and goal of evolution for all patterns, all levels, simultaneously, especially in the world of everyday affairs: 'The reality of the American government isn't static, he said, it's dynamic. If we don't like it we'll get something better. The American government isn't going to get stuck on any set of fancy doctrinaire ideas.' ZMM 'The real cycle you're working on is a cycle called yourself. The machine that appears to be "out there" and the person that appears to be "in here" are not two separate things. They grow toward Quality or fall away from Quality together.' ZMM Mark 23-05-05: In the language of the MOQ, we may wish to say the relationship of all patterns (machine and maintainer) grow toward coherence or fall away from coherence together. 'The universe is evolving from a condition of low quality (quantum forces only, no atoms, pre-big bang) toward a higher one (birds, trees, societies and thoughts) and in a static sense (world of everyday affairs) these two are not the same.' (Pirsig, 1997a) By higher quality patterns, I think Pirsig denotes the following: 1. Of having a higher harmony, whether biological (e.g. health), social (e.g. political agreement), intellectual (e.g. mathematical solutions). 2. Anything that opposes the force of entropy; that tends toward order rather than disorder. 3. The development of increasingly complex and sophisticated levels. 4. Something that increases the potentiality (or freedom) for new value patterns. 5. As noted above in the context of complexity theory 'a further and greater ordered coherence.' (McWatt 2004b, p.108) In the language of the MOQ, a 'sweet spot' may be described as a high state of coherence or harmony between static quality patterns producing a Dynamic event that displays high coherence (between the extremes of chaotic disruption and static stagnation). As illustrated by the German writer, Eugen Herrigel (1938, p.73), the Zen Master uses archery as a means to achieve Dynamic Quality because the archer must balance his loosing of the shot at a very fine point. The most famous example of the 'sweet spot' provided by Pirsig (1974a, p.296- 97) is motorcycle maintenance: Zen Buddhists talk about 'just sitting,' a meditative practice in which the idea of a duality of self and object does not dominate one's consciousness. What I'm talking about here in motorcycle maintenance is 'just fixing,' in which the idea of a duality of self and object doesn't dominate one's consciousness. When one isn't dominated by feelings of separateness from what he's working on, then one can be said to 'care' about what he's doing. That is what caring really is, a feeling of identification with what one's doing. When one has this feeling then he also sees the inverse side of caring, Quality itself. (McWatt 2004a p.122-3) All the best, Mark MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_focus/ MF Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from moq_focus follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/mf/subscribe.html
