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Subject: Re: Cryptic in genetics
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:04:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lindsay Eaves-Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi,
Um, I'm not a cryptic specialist, but I don't know any anthropologists
who buys the Schwartz orang argument...although, Eugene Dubois (of Java
Man fame) did think we were most closely related to the gibbon... I did
remember an article (and associated one) that we read in our species
diversity seminar that seemed like a pretty thorough overview. See
citation below and those within the articles:
L E-J
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*Bickford, D., Lohman, D.J., Sodhi, N.S., Ng,P.K.L., Meier, R., Winker,
K., Ingram, K.K., and Das, I. 2007. Cryptic species as a window on
diversity and conservation. /Trends in Ecology & Evolution/ 22:148-155.*
Pfenninger, M., and Schwenk, K. 2007. Cryptic animal species are
homogeneously distributed among taxa and biogeographical regions. /BMC
Evolutionary Biology /7:121/./
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Subject: Re: Cryptic in genetics
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:33:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: andrea cardini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear Pablo,
maybe you can give a look at the paper below to see whether there's
anything interesting for you:
Cardini A, Thorington Jr. R. W., P. D. Polly, 2007 - Evolutionary
acceleration in the most endangered mammal of Canada: phylogenetic
signal
and cranial divergence in the Vancouver Island marmot (Rodentia,
Sciuridae). Journal of Evolutionary Biology, 20: 1833-1846.
"Beside the implications for the study of models of
population divergence and speciation, the story of the
Vancouver Island marmot can be read also from a rather
different perspective. Species with a large phenotypic
divergence but small genetic differentiation (measured
using a common genetic marker like the mitochondrial
cytochrome b) can be seen as the 'other side of coin' of
the cryptic species concept"
I am sure there's more in the literature but possibly it has not
been said
explicitly.
Cheers
Andrea
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Subject: Cryptic in genetics
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:41:45 -0400
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Dear colleagues,
Besides the problem behind species concepts and aesthetic
(non-scientific) values for particular kinds of phylogenetic and
taxonomic characters, I am currently searching for published
examples
where the species is cryptic from the genetic perspective but
recognizable (different) from the morphological perspective.
This is a
counter-current example which is apparently very difficult to find.
An interesting example is the evidence presented by Jeffrey
Schwartz on
his book: "The Red Ape: Orangutans and Human Origins" where he
contests
current genetic evidence upon the common origin shared by
chimps and
humans, arguing instead for the orangutan.
I will appreciate any published studies suggesting morphological
evidence for species lineage independence (i.e. species) opposing
genetic evidence of single lineages (genetically cryptic).
Thanks
Pablo
Pablo Jarrin
Ph. D. candidate
Dept. of Biology / Boston University
M. A. Ecology Behavior and Evolution
Boston Univ.
Director
Yasuni Research Station
Escuela de Ciencias Biológicas
Pont. Univ. Católica del Ecuador.
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