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     Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:01:02 -0400
      From: adrien.an...@doct.ulg.ac.be
      Reply-To: adrien.an...@doct.ulg.ac.be
      Subject: manova tests
      To: morphmet@morphometrics.org

Dear Morphometricians,
My name is Adrien, I'm new to morphometry and I'd like to understand correctly 
the results I obtained for the procrustes Anova in MorphoJ. 
Here is my main question:
What is the meaning of having a significant or a non-significant p-value in the 
symmetric and asymmetric component manova tests?

here are the results I obtained with my data. 

Classifiers used for the Procrustes ANOVA:
Extra main effect(s): 
-- Extra 1: site
Individuals: name

Centroid size:
Effect     SS     MS        df        F      P (param.)
Extra 1          0,941346        0,058834      16       2,23      0,0056
Individual       5,232293        0,026426     198

Shape, Procrustes ANOVA:
Effect     SS   MS         df        F      P (param.)
Extra 1        0,01783523    0,0000412853      432       2,06      <.0001
Individual     0,10700362    0,0000200156     5346      11,46      <.0001
Side           0,00074918    0,0000277473       27      15,88      <.0001
Ind * Side     0,01009397    0,0000017470     5778

Shape, MANOVA tests of effects:

Symmetric component of shape variation:
Effect        Pillai tr.   P (param.)
Extra 1          3,14       <.0001
Note: the test for 'Individual' used the symmetric component of the residual as 
the 'error' effect. 

Asymmetry component of shape variation:
Effect        Pillai tr.   P (param.)
Extra 1          2,03       0,4523
Side             0,72       <.0001

For this analysis, i used 2 classifiers. the first one (name) is the specimen 
ID, the second one, "site", is the site where the specimen come from. The last 
one has been used as the extra main effect. 

there is no error factor in this analysis because I didn't digitized all my 
individuals twice. I did it before on a subsample, and mean squares of FA, DA, 
and individual variation were found
to exceed the error component, indicating that the contribution of measurement 
error to
overall shape variation was small. 

thank you very much for your help

Adrien

adrien.an...@ulg.ac.be

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