> also at bottom seeks to obtain pleasure, but pleasure which is assured 
> through taking account of reality, even though it is pleasure postponed and 
> diminished" (Sigmund Freud, Introductory Lectures 16.357).
> 
> That's what we want for our kids.
> 
> Bill

Okay, psychology folks out there.  Does this mean that it is a developmental 
trajectory that begins first with instant gratification (reading because of 
instant enjoyment --ie fun) and THEN reading for the longer term delayed 
gratification reasons?  Or is it that we should include both in our instruction 
(instant and delayed gratification types of reading) no matter where our 
students happen to be emotionally in regards to reading?

I understand the concern voiced by one member regarding the word fun, but I 
think "fun" is semantics--we are all talking, I think, about the idea of 
instant easy enjoyment of reading versus reading that takes more from us but 
sometimes leads to more in return? Am I wrong?  Are we talking about something 
else?

If I am correct and not just lost in a philospohical mist, then the question 
for me becomes what are teachers responsible to offer and is there a particular 
order that we should go?  I was speaking before that I thought some students 
needed to really taste the "value" of reading to gain momentum and to become 
better readers, whereas others are already happy in reading and may be ready to 
take on reading challenges that do not offer instant gratification, challenges 
which might require more persistence.  I guess it is like skateboarding.  Most 
people roll around on the board a while enjoying the ride before they put in 
any heavy time trying to learn how to ollie. If you started off right away only 
trying to learn to ollie, skateboarding might be perceived as a dud.

(Lovin Bill's thoughts ala Mosaic musings)

:)Bonita
California, Grade 5 

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