OH, YEAH,  I translated the pampered child to spoiled rotten.  ;-)

Funny thing, my most demonstrative kid is my most secure kid.  The other two
want to hear from me almost daily when I travel or when they are away from
me, but the huggy guy is totally secure.

Lori


On 7/30/07 8:20 AM, "Waingort Jimenez, Elisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi Lori,
> What you describe here is important.  I am on the Discipline Without Stress
> listserv and the listserv moderator talks a lot about Gordon Neufeld - I think
> he's a psychologist - and his theory of attachment - how important it is.  I
> find, as a mother, that these kinds of expressions of affection that you talk
> about are different from what Robin was referring to.  These are about kids
> and significant others showing how much they care for each other and, in
> some cases, some sadness or even distress at parting.  I do think that the
> parting issue is something that gets easier as kids realize that you will
> return 
> for them at the end of the day.  What I saw in my grade one classroom were
> kids who are given everything they ask for and parents who refuse to allow
> their children to become naturally independent.
> Make sense?
> Elisa Waingort
> Calgary, Canada
>  
> Speaking immature, when my youngest was in kindergarten he would joyously
> greet me in the hallways of our school with a hug and kiss.  Every time.
> Bugged his kinder teacher ( a friend, a neighbor, a good teacher) to death
> and she kept saying things to him that were sooo well intentioned, like "big
> boys don't kiss their mothers" and I know she meant at school.  I had to
> talk to her about Isaac, to explain that I always followed my kid's leads
> and how different they each were.  One just plain divorced me on the first
> day of school.  This was my baby, he is a very demonstrative guy, and
> frankly, I was going to TAKE those hugs and kisses as long as he was
> OFFERING (which was pretty much until Middle School!!!). I don't think she
> ever approved, but she accepted it.  Do you suppose she thought we were both
> immature?? I better not tell her that Isaac still loves kissin' and huggin'
> in the safety of his own home!!!
> 
> In the same line, had a first grader who had been retained as a kinder for
> 'immaturity' and I know that the teacher had a major issue with this kiddo
> and the relationship he had with his grandfather.  Year one, granddad
> carried him on his hip, kiddo's arms around his neck, to kinder every
> morning and they chatted merrily to one another all the way.  Sometimes,
> okay often times, there were tears upon parting.  He was retained and year
> two, it went to a piggyback and evolved to handholding.  Granddad always was
> encouraged to separate outside the classroom door.  Year three--he is MINE!!
> Day one, granddad walked him, hand in hand, to first grade and lingered
> outside the door, worried, I think.  I invited him in, told him (and I meant
> it) how lucky this kiddo was to be so loved.  Where I teach, families are so
> splintered and so many are growing up without a male presence, let alone
> someone who clearly loves so much.  Well, by and by, grandpa told me the
> story.  He was not even grandpa, he was grandma's partner and together they
> had raised the boy since being abandoned by his mother at the age of three
> or four.  Told me a lot about those arms around the neck days.  For about
> half a year, they came together and I encouraged granddad to sign our guest
> book and walk with his grandson to breakfast.  After a bit, kiddo came alone
> (unless G.D. Needed to visit with me about something), but every parent day,
> every event, there was granddad and often grandma (but not so often, she has
> terrible arthritis in her knees). I felt so blessed to have this kiddo
> (eccentrically brilliant kid, gifted in every way but those we traditionally
> measure) in my classroom for two years and I guess his 'immaturity' had a
> silver lining.  If he had not been retained, he would not have hit my loop
> and I would not have experienced the joy of knowing him.
> 
> Lori
> 
> 
> On 7/30/07 12:40 AM, "Waingort Jimenez, Elisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Robin,
>> What you describe below sounds like a "pampered child".  I strongly recommend
>> a book
>> by the same name that has put into perspective a lot of "off the wall"
>> behaviors I have been
>> seeing this past school year.  Sorry, can't remember the author but I'm sure
>> a
>> quick google 
>> search will give you this information.
>> Elisa Waingort
>> Calgary, Canada
>> 
>> One year I had a child who I considered very immature. Here are the things I
>> noticed: he sucked his thumb when stressed, he cried frequently, his comments
>> during class discussions were often off-topic and tended to be much more
>> "me-centered" than was typical at that time of year for second graders, he
>> could not play well with other children, especially in competitive games
>> because if he was losing he would have a tantrum and quit or throw his pieces
>> or cry (or all of the above), his handwriting looked like a kindergartner's
>> writing (very poor fine-motor control), his attention span was very limited
>> (more like a typical 4-5 year old), and he was much more literal in his
>> thinking than the other children.
>> 
>> Was this typical "boy behavior"? I don't think so. The other boys in the
>> class
>> did not behave like this, my experience with my own son and his friends did
>> not match this child's behavior, and it was obvious he was struggling to meet
>> the expectations of a second grade classroom in a way that even the "wiggly
>> boys" did not.
>> 
>> Just my experience,
>> Robin
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