The biggest gripe I have with the NWEA is that 

"Zey, Melissa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We currently use NWEA in our 
district.  We do not start using the NWEA, however, until second grade.  In 
kindergarten and first grade other non-computerized assessments are given.  I 
do like the NWEA for several reasons.  One, it shows growth.  So often we look 
at state testing and it only allows for passing or failing.  It doesn't show us 
where our students started and how far we've taken them.  Second, there is a 
lot of information that can be pulled from the website using your class data.  
There is strand data for students to pinpoint where they struggled or 
succeeded.  It can also make your guided reading groups using strand data.  
Now, I don't suggest using that all year, but in the beginning of the year 
before you know your students those groups are a great starting point.  Third, 
it's quick.  There are times in the year, I set aside for the longer 
assessments such as the DRA, but this is quick information that I can
 use immediately.  Last, there is no way to prepare for it.  In my mind, I see 
that as a wonderful thing.  Why do we "prepare" these kids for tests?  We 
should just be doing the best job we can with them everyday, and that is more 
than all of the preparation they need.  So without prepping them, you can see 
exactly where they started and where they're going.  The two main assessments 
my district administrators look at are NWEA and MCA (our state test).  Now, if 
they're going to compare and look at data from those two tests, I want them to 
look at the one that shows them how my students have grown.
 
All this said, it is still one test on one day.  Data and testing are necessary 
evils that I don't always agree with, and no test is going to explain our 
students better than we can.

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Our district will begin using MAP in the fall as well, but I am cautious of the 
primary test because it is new.  I am not sure how K-1 students will do on a 
computer test.  We also used DIBELS, but have now shifted to AIMS Web as a 
screener.

Annette

In regard to Test Talk.  Are any of you in school districts where you are 
forced to give NWEA MAP levels tests?  I'm not sure they can be prepared for 
(which is a major shortcoming!), and I would LOVE to know how people do prepare 
their children for Levels tests.  Thanks for any info.

I, too, would be interested in the MAP testing.  Our district will be using it 
beginning next fall.  As the Elementary Language Arts facilitator for the 
district, I am in the process of deciding which of our tests will be replaced 
by the MAP test.  So far we are looking at getting rid of GATES MCGINITE and 
some of our district made tests.  I'm hoping the principals will be willing to 
abandon DIBELS or at least limit its use.

>From what little I know about MAP, I would say the best way to prepare for 
>such a test that shows growth is by effective teaching.  During our 
>consideration of MAP, we heard very little negative comments.

Thank you,
Barb

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