---- Ljackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>  or is a comibnation of a failure to implement the curriculum in combination 
> with a lack of deep >mathematical understandings as a teacher?
> 

Nail on the head, Lori.  I teach math methods for teachers at a local college.  
Student teachers who feel "math smart" come to my course and are surprised by 
what they did not understand about elementary math. Elementary is the 
foundation for more than reading.  It is the foundation for math understanding 
(not just learning the four operations by rote).  It makes me so sad that 
schools and districts institute quality nontraditional programs without proper 
training for teachers.  

That said, I understand the frustration of a curriculum that seems like you 
cannot wander from it, and yet I understand the necessity of a math curriculum 
that requires a spiral in learning--no loops missed.  When I researched 
Japanese texts (programs), I found that although the spiral was required, the 
text and requirements were so honed at each grade level, there was plenty of 
leftover time for further exploration, practice, and even wandering into other 
topics by the teacher.  Are these programs (Everyday math and Trailblazers) so 
thick that there is no room for this? (I teach fifth during daylight hours and 
my district uses a traditional curriculum that I wander from immensely).

Even if this is the case (thick curriculum)...I suspect it is the case because 
USA teachers need a greater level of day to day support (instructional 
requirements) to fully address math. This thick curriculum will be thick until 
we teachers become more adept at truly understanding math at a level that would 
allow us to have a more frugal curriculum (still spiraling) without panicking. 
(When I show the Japanese math texts to teachers--their reaction is usually 
fascination followed by panic, "I will be through that in a month! Then what?") 
 

I guess if I were to have my choice in math programs (as I tell my students, 
"If I ran the world"), I would first want a program like EM or Trailblazers or 
Singapore or Japanese math texts with TONS of professional development 
attached.  Without the professional development?  I would prefer the 
traditional math texts.I feel this way even though I have developed a pretty 
good understanding of math. I feel this way because I rely on teachers at 
earlier grades to know what they are doing.  Concept-based nontraditional 
programs without professional development is a bit like telling your students 
to use math manipulatives to learn math on their own.

:)Bonita

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