at the same pace...in the same way...start at the same place...need the same materials...have the same interests...all attend school...are all well-fed and have slept...
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Renee <[email protected]> wrote: > I absolutely agree with what Jennifer says. I think the "because of the new > teachers" argument is demeaning to teachers, no matter whether they've been > teaching one year or twenty years. New teachers need mentoring and > conversation from and with veteran teachers, not scripted programs that do > not help them learn how to teach, but only to "deliver" a script that .... > I'm sorry.... assumes that all children learn at the same pace. I could say > volumes, but I'll stop there. > > Renee > > > > On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Jennifer Grady wrote: > > Linda, >> I have also been also watching the posts and feel that the dialogue is >> healthy for us all to think. I just want to disagree respectfully with a >> portion of your statement >> >> think scripts have a place for some teachers especially if >>> they are new to teaching. Most of us have years of teaching and practice, >>> but >>> for new people they help to start. It takes a while to get things under >>> your >>> belt, and the script does guide them to some extent. >>> >> >> I feel like that is a fall back for new teachers. I am also a seasoned >> teacher of 20 years but in ALL 20 years I have not used a scripted program >> to guide my decision making and to get me "started". I was taught early >> on >> about research of best practice and decision making in my classroom and >> have >> been given empowerment to make those decisions. Certain programs have >> been >> used to supplement and give some children the extra support they need but >> I >> was the decision maker around what to use and what not to use. I agree >> that >> ANY program is a tool to be used in our toolbox but the problem occurs >> when >> others use that tool only. You wouldn't use a hammer to screw in a >> Phillips >> screw. It would might possibly get the screw into the hole but will it >> "hold". Will scripted programs "hold their learning" for all children? >> Just a question that I am thinking about. I personally feel the argument >> of >> new teachers need a type of "crutch" to get started allows them to use >> that >> crutch later on. Maybe you just touched on my soap box because there are >> teachers in my district wishing for a scripted program and their basis is >> because of the "new" teachers. We need to not only teach our children to >> be >> thinkers, we need to teach our teachers to be thinkers. Again, Linda, I >> appreciate your commitment to education. It's wonderful how you have been >> able to fit it all together. That is because of your decision making and >> empowerment as a teacher. Let's pass that on to the next generation of >> teachers. >> >> Jennifer >> 1st Grade >> Colorado >> >> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I having been watching the posts, and I love what Laurie and Amy said >>> about >>> scripted programs. For some students, Corrective reading or Reading >>> Mastery >>> are the only programs that work. I also like what they said about >>> scripted >>> programs being a tool and how you need to know the students and fit the >>> needs >>> of all students. I think scripts have a place for some teachers >>> especially if >>> they are new to teaching. Most of us have years of teaching and practice, >>> but >>> for new people they help to start. It takes a while to get things under >>> your >>> belt, and the script does guide them to some extent. Unfortunately not >>> all >>> teachers take the time to do strategy work. We are supposed to use the >>> script, >>> and I do (partially) - but I have found that I can fit the strategy work >>> in >>> with it. Ellin's work and the ideas of this listserv have become such a >>> part >>> of what I do, it is just a natural part of my teaching now so I fit it >>> all in >>> together. >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> Amy wrote: >>> >>> "The script cannot and will not ever replace what a teacher can do. >>> Again, it >>> is >>> >>>> an empowering tool if you know how to make it work for the kids. But it >>>> is >>>> not >>>> the script or the program per se that is teaching the kids to >>>> read....it's >>>> the >>>> teacher making it work for the kids. " >>>> >>> Laurie wrote: >>> >>> Hello All, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have something very simple to say in response to the recent thread on >>>> the >>>> >>> listserve regarding a certain reading program: It is not programs that >>> teach, >>> but teachers who are well informed practitioners who teach. Staff >>> development >>> is a key component, but, in my opinion, scripted programs assume that >>> teachers >>> don't know enough about their subject matter to teach it effectively. >>> From >>> where >>> did this assumption come? Definitely something to consider, especially in >>> light >>> of the incredible research that has generated the likes of this >>> listserve. >>> Thank >>> you Elin Keene and Company. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mosaic mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >>> >>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mosaic mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >> >> >> "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit > atrocities." > ~ Voltaire > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > _______________________________________________ Mosaic mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. 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