I also agree with the developmental factor. I always compare this philosophy to a sport. I was a highly competitive gymnast. I worked my way UP based on the SKILLS I masters, not my age. Why can we not apply this same thought process to schools and learning? Ali /FL
Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:37 AM, "Bieger, Reva RB" <[email protected]> wrote: > I to agree with the point of developmental development. I taught in a > resource setting at the 4th/5th grade level for 10 years. Students would > come to us as non-readers and leave 5th ranging from 2nd to 5th grade level. > While we worked very hard with intensive programs we had the added benefit > that they were finally ready developmentally. I would tell my fellow > teachers the students made me look like a genius but I knew it wasn't that. > > Kathy > ________________________________________ > From: mosaic-bounces+reva.bieger=carroll.kyschools...@literacyworkshop.org > [mosaic-bounces+reva.bieger=carroll.kyschools...@literacyworkshop.org] on > behalf of Sue Bruns Maiers [[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] "Better" reading instruction...sigh... > > There's also the issue of the student's development - when I was teaching in > a resource room 20 years ago I worked extensively with a student on his > multiplication facts. For more than a year we reviewed with many varied ways > with seemingly little or no progress. All of a sudden they all came at once > - almost over night. Some students aren't ready to learn something just > because the experts say that's when they're ready to learn it and supposed to > learn it. This is true with all subjects. > > > Sue Maiers > [email protected] - school > [email protected] - phone, everywhere > > "While we may not be able to control all that happens to us, we can control > what happens inside us." -Benjamin Franklin > > > >> To: [email protected] >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:10:27 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] "Better" reading instruction...sigh... >> >> When a middle schooler or high school student is reading on an elementary >> level, It's easy to assume that somebody below didnt do it "right" . But as >> an elementary teacher, I just need to say that we bust our butts on those >> students who are below grade level. We meet with them daily in small group >> and and are always hovering by their desks to help them with added support. >> We provide them with as much intensive support as availalbe from reading >> teachers,we work with parents, set up before and after school buddy pals, >> and nightly send home books at their level for them to practice and now with >> RTI. probably spend triple the amount of time planning lessons and assessing >> these students as we do our grade level or advanced student. >> >> We take so much abuse from the "political public" about how all we need is >> good teaching and all will be right with the students. >> I have to caution you not to buy into this. Students who struggle learning >> to read have many and varied causes, and we have yet to find the cause or >> "cure" for all of them. Please, dont play the bashing game and blame the >> other guy. Chances are, your own success with these kiddos will be as >> limited. >> >> Kathy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Denise Diana Saddler <[email protected]> >> To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group >> <[email protected]>; write <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu, Jul 21, 2011 7:15 pm >> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] "Better" reading instruction...sigh... >> >> >> Hi Jan >> I am glad you ask that question about the hypothetical 8th grader who >> currently >> read on a 4th grade level what can we do. Well just to inform you I currently >> teach intensive reading for middle school students 6-8th grade and many of >> them >> do read on an elementary grade level. Our school has a block schedule in >> which >> students goes to three classes on one day and three different classes on the >> next (alternating class), which also include extra-curricular activities. The >> students who have my class, have there required classes, such as Language >> Arts, >> Math, etc..., but because they have Intensive Reading they do not get >> extra-curricular activities instead they see me every day of the week not >> only >> on alternate days. By the way our school is an “A” school again this year, >> thank God. I believe that if schools would take the initiative and make sure >> that a child receive all the help necessary for the child to be able to read >> on >> grade level before they are move on to the next grade or take drastic action >> to >> make sure that the child catch up to their reading grade level then we will >> have >> less student in the 8th grade reading on a 4th grade level. It is not easy, >> trust me I have the real deal, the 8th graders who do read on a very low >> level >> but was just pass on through the system; but, it is possible if the school >> work >> as a team. >> >> Denise D. Saddler >>> >>> I'd love to hear from you all about what intervention you think an 8th >>> grader who reads at the 4th grade level needs. Remember that this >>> student will be starting high school soon. (This is a hypothetical >>> student, but I have had students like this in the past.) >>> Jan >>> >>> >>> Quoting Denise Diana Saddler <[email protected]>: >>>> I agree with the fact that if a child is unable to read by the 3rd grade >> then >>>> the child should be taking out of extra curricular activities for one year >> in >>>> order to catch up on the reading instruction necessary for the child to be >>>> successful. Many statistics has proven that if the child can read on >>>> grade level >>>> then he or she have a higher chances of passing test in other areas; >>>> examples, >>>> math and science. Other area that is affected when a child cannot >>>> read is the >>>> child's behavior when he or she cannot complete class work or homework >>>> assignments, also the child's self confidence. Yes, a child should be given >>>> extra reading instruction for a minimum of one year in order to >>>> decrease all the >>>> other negative possibilities that can take place if the child is just moved >>>> through the system. >>>> >>>> Denise Saddler >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mosaic mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org >>> >>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mosaic mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mosaic mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >> > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive _______________________________________________ Mosaic mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
