Hi,

 Sorry for the wrong information.

 After I double check the setting used in Pharaoh and Moses, I found that

 Pharaoh use "grow-diag-final" to obtain the bidirection word alignment
while Moses use
 "grow-diag-final-and". This cause the phrase tables extracted by two
systems obviously different.

So, It's the reason.

Another new question for me is that: Do the Pharaoh and Moses use the same
phrase-extract binary?

Or phrase-extract is the updated version in Moses suit?

Thanks guys,


-Hongfei


2007/11/13, Philipp Koehn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi,
>
> the features that typically get better performance
> with Moses are the lexicalized reordering and the
> support for higher order language models (I think).
> With the same features, performance should be
> very similar.
>
> -phi
>
> On 11/12/07, Hieu Hoang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 5 BLEU points !? i wish.
> >
> > there are small differences between moses & pharaoh which usually makes
> > moses slightly better (less than 0.5 BLEU) for traditional phrase based
> > decoder. i recent paper @ IWSLT compared the difference between the 2
> > systems
> >
> > http://www.cs.ust.hk/~dekai/library/WU_Dekai/ShenLoCarpuatWu_IWSLT2007.p
> > df
> > u can get better results by adding linguistic information, which is the
> > reason for moses
> >
> >
> > Hieu Hoang
> > www.hoang.co.uk/hieu
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of corporalist
> > corporalist
> > Sent: 12 November 2007 08:58
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Moses-support] About the comparison between Pharaoh and Moses.
> >
> >
> > Hi, guys,
> >
> >
> >         Anyone have ever done some comparison between Pharaoh and Moses
> > in open data set?
> >
> >          I wonder how much difference is reasonable.
> >
> >          I have tried a comparison experiment on NIST05 Chinese-English
> > test using FBIS.
> >
> >          My results showed that Moses can outperform Pharaoh by 5 Bleu
> > score.
> >
> >          Is this difference reasonable?
> >
> >         Anyone did similar comaparison pls kindly tell me your results.
> >
> > -fei
> >
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