Greetings,

That line in mert-moses.pl is checking to see if moses is executable
but can't find it.
Replace moses in your command with /usr/bin/moses :

mert-moses.pl europarl/tuning/input europarl/tuning/reference /usr/bin/moses
model/moses.ini --working-dir europarl/tuning --rootdir
/usr/share/moses/scripts >&mert-moses-run.out

Eric Nichols

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Llio Humphreys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Eric/Moses Support Group,
>
> I am using Ubuntu with 3.5GB RAM and finally got
> train-factored-phrase-model.perl to run!
> I am now on the tuning part of the tutorial, and I'm still using the
> Baseline data to test out the system on my machine.
> I adapted the command for tuning from:
>
> bin/moses-scripts/scripts-YYYYMMDD-HHMM/training/mert-moses.pl
> working-dir/tuning/input working-dir/tuning/reference
> moses/moses-cmd/src/moses working-dir/model/moses.ini --working-dir
> working-dir/tuning --rootdir bin/moses-scripts/scripts-YYYYMMDD-HHMM
>
> to
>
> mert-moses.pl europarl/tuning/input europarl/tuning/reference moses
> model/moses.ini --working-dir europarl/tuning --rootdir
> /usr/share/moses/scripts >&mert-moses-run.out
>
> I get the error message:
>
> After default: -l mem_free=0.5G -hard
> Using SCRIPTS_ROOTDIR: /usr/share/moses/scripts
> Not executable: moses at /usr/bin/mert-moses.pl line 297.
>
> mert-moses.pl line 297 is empty but the previous line says:
>
> die "Not executable: $___DECODER" if ! -x $___DECODER;
>
> Grateful for your advice.
>
> Thanks,
> Llio Humphreys
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Eric Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> In the moses package, I install everything into /usr/share/moses and
>> symlink the scripts and moses command into /usr/bin.
>> You can see a list of installed files by running the following command:
>>
>> # dpkg -L moses
>>
>> When you call a command like ngram-count or
>> train-factored-phrase-model.perl, you do not need to specify the full
>> path;
>> the system will be able to find it. I do not know if it is strictly
>> necessary to set -scripts-root-dir, but the value
>> /usr/share/moses/scripts works fine.
>>
>> Eric Nichols
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Llio Humphreys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Dear Murat, Anung, Hieu, Josh, Eric, Miles, Sara, Amittai,
>>> thank you all for your help.  It is very, very much appreciated. I
>>> decided to try Eric's packages, and it looks like the installation
>>> worked.  I typed some of the
>>>  commands in the Baseline instructions without arguments, and the
>>>  program either output to the screen that I missed some arguments or
>>>  gave a description of the program.  Thank you Eric!!!
>>>
>>>  Following the Baseline instructions
>>>  (http://www.statmt.org/wmt08/baseline.html) I have now got to the
>>>  following step:
>>>
>>>  Use SRILM to build language model:
>>>  /path-to-srilm/bin/i686/ngram-count -order 5 -interpolate -kndiscount
>>>  -text working-dir/lm/europarl.lowercased -lm
>>>  working-dir/lm/europarl.lm
>>>
>>>  In my case, I was in folder home/llio/MOSESMTDATA.  I didn't know the
>>>  path to ngram-count, but it was possible to invoke it without the
>>>  path:
>>>
>>>  ngram-count -order 5 -interpolate -kndiscount -text
>>>  europarl/lm/europarl.lowercased -lm europarl/lm/europarl.lm
>>>
>>>  I'm concerned about two things:
>>>  1) this ngram-count step is taking a very long time.  I think I started
>>>  it off around 6pm yesterday, but it's still going.  It's very
>>>  resource-intensive, and it's difficult to get to  other windows open.
>>>  I went to check up on it around 9pm, and couldn't find that particular
>>>  terminal.  I thought I had closed that terminal by mistake, so I stupidly
>>>  opened another one, and entered the same command.  I subsequently
>>>  found that the original terminal was still open, so I closed the
>>>  second one.  I'm not sure if issuing this command a second time on the
>>>  same program and files on a different terminal would corrupt the
>>>  original ngramcount step, and whether I should start it off again, or
>>>  whether starting it off again would make things worse?   I looked up
>>>  ngram-count 
>>> (http://www.speech.sri.com/projects/srilm/manpages/ngram-count.1.html)
>>>  and I don't think it outputs to any file, so I guess you have to be in
>>>  the same terminal to do the next step?  I opened
>>>  another terminal and typed 'top' to see what processes are running,
>>>  and I know that ngram-count is doing something, but whether it's doing
>>>  well or stuck in a loop, I can't say.  What I do find strange is that
>>> the time for ngram-count is said to be 00:58:20, and it's been going
>>> for hours.. I searched this problem in previous Moses Group emails and
>>> I understand that if I run this with order 4 instead of 5 it will run
>>> quicker with very similar results?  So, can I just stop what it's
>>> doing, and run this command in the same terminal with order 4?  Are
>>> there any files I need to 'touch' to ensure that it doesn't leave any
>>> stone unturned?
>>>
>>>  2) how to do the next step:
>>>
>>>  
>>> bin/moses-scripts/scripts-YYYYMMDD-HHMM/training/train-factored-phrase-model.perl
>>>  -scripts-root-dir bin/moses-scripts/scripts-YYYYMMDD-HHMM -root-dir
>>>  working-dir -corpus working-dir/corpus/europarl.lowercased -f fr -e en
>>>  -alignment grow-diag-final-and -reordering msd-bidirectional-fe -lm
>>>  0:5:working-dir/lm/europarl.lm:0
>>>
>>> I assume that like ngram-count, I can just type in
>>> train-factored-phrase-model.perl without the full path...Do I need to
>>> set the -scripts-root-dir paramater?  Are all the scripts in the same
>>> place?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Llio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 8/14/08, Murat ALPEREN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  > Dear Llio,
>>>  >
>>>  > You should be okay with installing moses finally if you have installed 
>>> all
>>>  > tha dependant packages before. I am not aware of the 'whereis' command, 
>>> but
>>>  > once you train your model, your moses.ini file which is created by 
>>> training
>>>  > script will take care of the paths. However, you should carefully supply
>>>  > paths while training your model. Before training your model, you should 
>>> have
>>>  > two seperate corpus files which are lowercased, sentence aligned and
>>>  > accordingly tokenized (there are supplementary tools for this). Once you
>>>  > have your corpus in two seperate files such as corpus.en, and corpus.fr 
>>> you
>>>  > will run a training perl script: train-factored-phrase-model.pl with 
>>> various
>>>  > parameters. If you need further help with this command after installing
>>>  > moses and all training scripts, send me a reply including your exact path
>>>  > for your corpus files and I will try to figure out the training command 
>>> for
>>>  > your paths.
>>>  >
>>>  > Cheers
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > On 8/13/08, Llio Humphreys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  > > Hi Murat,
>>>  > > thanks for this.  I've got Ubuntu 8.04 so the Hardy Heron packages are
>>>  > > what I need also
>>>  > > (http://cl.naist.jp/~eric-n/ubuntu-nlp/dists/hardy/all/).
>>>  > >
>>>  > > I think I already got the order wrong...(sign of panic maybe?)
>>>  > > I clicked on mckls deb and the package installer said it was already
>>>  > installed.
>>>  > > I clicked on srilm deb and the package installer said it was already
>>>  > > installed, so I clicked Reinstall package.
>>>  > >
>>>  > > I can't find anything that says the order of installation, but note
>>>  > > that the workshop baseline model requires installing giza before mckls
>>>  > > Do I need to uninstall mkcls (if so how? is it just a matter of
>>>  > > deleting the .exc file?) or is it enough to click on Reinstall
>>>  > > package?
>>>  > >
>>>  > > When all this is done, how do I use Moses?  Many of the commands in
>>>  > > the baseline model
>>>  > (http://www.statmt.org/wmt08/baseline.html) require
>>>  > > pathnames to the various scripts and data:  is it necessary to amend
>>>  > > these commands or can I just type 'whereis' command to find what I
>>>  > > need?
>>>  > >
>>>  > > Thanks,
>>>  > > Llio
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Murat ALPEREN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>  > wrote:
>>>  > > > Dear Llio,
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > Eric's page will probably help you, I have installed pre-compiled 
>>> debian
>>>  > > > based Ubuntu - Hardy Heron packages. All the necessary binaries are
>>>  > included
>>>  > > > in Eric's repository which will guide you for the dependancies, that
>>>  > means
>>>  > > > there's an order of installation which you should follow. As far as I
>>>  > > > remember you should first install srilm, then mkcls, giza and finally
>>>  > moses.
>>>  > > > Then you will be able to train your models or run any model on your
>>>  > machine
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > Regards
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > On 8/13/08, Anung Ariwibowo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  > > >>
>>>  > > >> Hi Llio,
>>>  > > >>
>>>  > > >> I can compile SRILM in Linux Ubuntu without problem. Can you post 
>>> the
>>>  > > >> error message here, maybe we can help.
>>>  > > >>
>>>  > > >> Cheers,
>>>  > > >> Anung
>>>  > > >>
>>>  > > >> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Llio Humphreys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>  > > >> wrote:
>>>  > > >>>
>>>  > > >>> Dear Josh/Hieu,
>>>  > > >>> many thanks for your replies.  The default shell is bash, and 
>>> updating
>>>  > > >>> the .profile file worked - thanks for that tip.  I look forward to
>>>  > > >>> hearing more from you about the ./model/extract.0-0.o.part* 
>>> problem.
>>>  > > >>> My apologies for my ignorance of Unix matters: I'd like to think of
>>>  > > >>> myself as a newbie rather than one who is averse to learning about
>>>  > > >>> these things, and the further information you have provided has 
>>> been
>>>  > > >>> useful and interesting.  Hieu mentioned that Anung Ariwibowo got 
>>> Moses
>>>  > > >>> to work when he transferred to a Linux machine.  A colleague has
>>>  > > >>> kindly let me borrow a Linux/Ubuntu machine, but I have already run
>>>  > > >>> into problems compiling SRILM!  So, I'll see if Eric Nichols's
>>>  > > >>> packages will take care of that:
>>>  > > >>>
>>>  > http://cl.naist.jp/~eric-n/ubuntu-nlp/dists/feisty/nlp/
>>>  > > >>> Best regards,
>>>  > > >>> Llio
>>>  > > >>>
>>>  > > >>>
>>>  > > >>>
>>>  > > >>> On 8/13/08, Josh Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  > > >>> > Hi Llio,
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> > > you may have already received my email on the following problem
>>>  > when
>>>  > > >>> > > building the language model:
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> > > Executing: cat ./model/extract.0-0.o.part* > 
>>> ./model/extract.0-0.o
>>>  > > >>> > > cat: ./model/extract.0-0.o.part*: No such file or directory
>>>  > > >>> > > Exit code: 1
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >  That's building the phrase table, not the language model. It 
>>> seems
>>>  > > >>> > like
>>>  > > >>> > several people on the list are having problems with this step, so
>>>  > I'm
>>>  > > >>> > going
>>>  > > >>> > to take a look at the training process and post something to the
>>>  > list
>>>  > > >>> > in the
>>>  > > >>> > next day or two.
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> > > 1. You mention that Moses does not use environment variables.
>>>  > > >>> > > However, in order to get SRILM to work, I found it necessary to
>>>  > > >>> > > create
>>>  > > >>> > > environment variables and pass these on to SRILM's make:
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> > > make SRILM=$PWD MACHINE_TYPE=macosx
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > 
>>> PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/Users/lliohumphreys/MT/MOSESSUITE/srilm:/Users/lliohumphreys/MT/MOSESSUITE/srilm/bin:/Users/lliohumphreys/MT/MOSESSUITE/srilm/bin/macosx:/sw/bin/gawk
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > MANPATH=/Users/lliohumphreys/MT/MOSESSUITE/srilm/man
>>>  > > >>> > LC_NUMERIC=C
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> > > In addition, I was also required to type in the following 
>>> command
>>>  > for
>>>  > > >>> > > moses-scripts:
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> > > export
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > 
>>> SCRIPTS_ROOTDIR=/Users/lliohumphreys/MT/MOSESSUITE/bin/moses-scripts/scripts-20080811-1801
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >  Sorry, I should have been more clear. Moses itself, the decoder
>>>  > that
>>>  > > >>> > loads
>>>  > > >>> > a trained phrase table and language model and translates text, 
>>> is a
>>>  > > >>> > self-contained command-line program that doesn't require 
>>> environment
>>>  > > >>> > variables.
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >  Your first example is compiling SRILM. This is not part of the
>>>  > Moses
>>>  > > >>> > toolkit: it's a toolkit of its own for language modeling and a 
>>> ton
>>>  > of
>>>  > > >>> > other
>>>  > > >>> > stuff. We use it as one of two possible integrated language 
>>> models
>>>  > (the
>>>  > > >>> > other is IRSTLM) with Moses.
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >  Your second example is part of the training regime. Yes, there 
>>> is
>>>  > some
>>>  > > >>> > use
>>>  > > >>> > of the SCRIPTS_ROOTDIR in the
>>>  > > >>> > train-factored-phrase-model.perl, but for most
>>>  > training
>>>  > > >>> > support scripts that come with moses there is a flag that lets 
>>> you
>>>  > > >>> > specify
>>>  > > >>> > SCRIPTS_ROOTDIR at the command line instead of storing it as an
>>>  > > >>> > environment
>>>  > > >>> > variable. In train-factored-phrase-model it's 
>>> "-scripts-root-dir",
>>>  > > >>> > which I
>>>  > > >>> > think you've actually used in one of your other emails.
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> > > If I open a new terminal and echo these variables, most of them
>>>  > are
>>>  > > >>> > > blank, and PATH just gives the default bin paths.
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> > > So, how do I make them permanent?  I assume that if I want to 
>>> use
>>>  > > >>> > > Moses again, it needs to have access to these variables?  How 
>>> can
>>>  > I
>>>  > > >>> > > ensure that I can close the terminal, go home, open a new 
>>> terminal
>>>  > > >>> > > the
>>>  > > >>> > > next day and get Moses working again?  A colleague suggested I
>>>  > update
>>>  > > >>> > > the .bashrc file to update each new terminal session with these
>>>  > > >>> > > environment variables. However, my Mac system does not appear 
>>> to
>>>  > have
>>>  > > >>> > > a .bashrc system as a default, and when I created one in my 
>>> home
>>>  > > >>> > > directory and opened a new terminal, it did not access the 
>>> .bashrc
>>>  > > >>> > > file.
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >  Here's some info on environment variables on the Mac, found 
>>> with a
>>>  > > >>> > quick
>>>  > > >>> > Google search:
>>>  > > >>>
>>>  > >  http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/02/24/bash.html
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >  I tried it with .profile, that worked fine. Are you sure you're 
>>> set
>>>  > to
>>>  > > >>> > use
>>>  > > >>> > the bash shell? Try ' echo $SHELL ' in Terminal.
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> > > 2. You say that you ran the decoder on your laptop just fine, 
>>> but
>>>  > had
>>>  > > >>> > > to change a few scripts for training.  I have very basic 
>>> knowledge
>>>  > of
>>>  > > >>> > > Unix systems and installing open-source software: would it be
>>>  > > >>> > > possible
>>>  > > >>> > > for you to detail the changes you did to the scripts to get it 
>>> to
>>>  > run
>>>  > > >>> > > on a Mac?  Although I need this information urgently, it may 
>>> also
>>>  > be
>>>  > > >>> > > useful for other students who are installing Moses on a Mac and
>>>  > who
>>>  > > >>> > > may also have basic knowledge of Unix installation procedures.
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >  I'll look into this. Mac isn't really the platform of choice for
>>>  > > >>> > training a
>>>  > > >>> > Moses model and I do most of my work on linux. If I recall
>>>  > correctly,
>>>  > > >>> > an
>>>  > > >>> > Intel-based Mac should be easier to get working than a PowerPC 
>>> one.
>>>  > The
>>>  > > >>> > *decoder* does work on my Intel-based laptop, but I haven't run a
>>>  > full
>>>  > > >>> > training setup locally in some time -- most of the time we're
>>>  > working
>>>  > > >>> > with
>>>  > > >>> > so much data that I use a cluster of linux machines instead of my
>>>  > Mac.
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >  As a word of caution: Moses isn't an out-of-the box translation
>>>  > > >>> > solution
>>>  > > >>> > for end users. It's research software undergoing active 
>>> development,
>>>  > so
>>>  > > >>> > almost every user -- on any platform --  will need to muck 
>>> around in
>>>  > > >>> > the
>>>  > > >>> > scripts at some point, or face a compile error or runtime crash. 
>>> The
>>>  > > >>> > ability
>>>  > > >>> > to deal with unix/linux command line tools, and debug code and
>>>  > scripts
>>>  > > >>> > when
>>>  > > >>> > necessary, is really important. That being said, I'll see what I 
>>> can
>>>  > do
>>>  > > >>> > about highlighting where the scripts might have problems on the 
>>> Mac.
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> > > 3. My final question: which is embarrasingly basic...can I use 
>>> the
>>>  > > >>> > > one
>>>  > > >>> > > installation of Moses for different corpora, or do I need to 
>>> do a
>>>  > > >>> > > separate installation for each one?  Can I have separate
>>>  > > >>> > > installations
>>>  > > >>> > > of SRILM, Giza and mckls, or should they all reference the same
>>>  > > >>> > > libraries?
>>>  > > >>> > >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >  All you need to do to have moses use different corpora is point 
>>> it
>>>  > to
>>>  > > >>> > a
>>>  > > >>> > different moses.ini file. Assuming you have compiled moses with
>>>  > support
>>>  > > >>> > for
>>>  > > >>> > the language model specified in the file (IRSTLM or SRILM), it 
>>> will
>>>  > > >>> > translate. You should only need one copy of giza, mkcls, 
>>> irst/srilm,
>>>  > > >>> > and
>>>  > > >>> > moses. The code stays the same, it's the data model that's
>>>  > different.
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >  -Josh
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >
>>>  > > >>> >
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