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Today's Topics:
1. Re: GCC optimizer is provably junk. Here is the evidence.
(Harlan Daneker)
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 15:50:54 -0400
From: Harlan Daneker <hdane...@gmail.com>
To: Motion discussion list <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Motion-user] GCC optimizer is provably junk. Here is the
evidence.
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Thank you, I understand that. I update most things with dnf, so I wonder
what the kernel and application developers are using to compile.
Harlan
On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 2:56?PM rmbusy <rmbusy+mot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Harlan,
>
> Unfortunately this problem doesn't have an easy solution (other than
> using a non-GCC based tool chain). Alternate tool chains would likely
> require the user to purchase them, which most people won't do.
>
> The problem the link outlines is the compiler generates less efficient
> code than it should, and those involved in the development of GCC are not
> receptive to input on fixing it (quite the opposite actually).
>
> In layman's terms, anything built with GCC, including the Linux kernel,
> system drivers, and applications (like Motion) would run slower (use more
> CPU cycles) and consume more memory than they would otherwise (at least on
> x86 architectures). Until someone produces an alternative to GCC, with
> better optimization, we're pretty much stuck with what we have today.
> Maybe someone will introduce a fork to GCC, that provides those
> improvements.
>
>
> --
> Rob.
>
>
> On 3/25/24 11:16, Harlan Daneker wrote:
>
> If there is a problem some of the programmers out there should chime in
> and *be specific about what the problems are* *in layman's terms*. Also
> what do we do about it other than complain? I am one of those people that
> would not know. I do compile things occasionally including motion on a
> Fedora box.
>
> Harlan
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 1:40?PM rmbusy <rmbusy+mot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> JB, that is the same toxic response that Dave was shining a light on.
>> Good job!
>>
>> Dave, thanks for bringing this to our attention. Since Motion is one of
>> the "apps" you mention, it is very relevant to the readers of this
>> mailing list.
>>
>> People may not understand the motivation for companies to sabotage OSS
>> (Open Source Software), but it's real, and it's all for profit. If they
>> make the x86 code generation less efficient via the compiler, especially
>> for older CPU's, then most people will just think they need a new
>> computer, and viola, a new sale is the result.
>>
>> Sticking your head in the sand about the issue is your prerogative, but
>> will not help the situation.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rob.
>>
>>
>> On 3/25/24 05:14, JB wrote:
>> > On 2024-03-24 13:20, Dave Blanchard wrote:
>> >
>> > <SNIP a load of garbage we here at the Motion list didn't need to see>
>> >
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Dave Blanchard (aka "the idiotic and self-righteous piece of shit")
>> > Because you don't know how to keep on topic in a mailing list, your
>> > 'aka' fits you quite well, as far as I'm concerned!
>> >
>> > JB
>> >
>>
>>
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