I am not, nor ever have been anti-hunting (and yes, I buy duck stamps, support the Nature Conservancy, etc.). I was dismayed that the decision seemed not open to a discussion, or at least a well-publicized presentation, of rationale for the decision (other than "other states do it".) Like Richard, I wondered how hunters would know the difference between the members of the two populations; honestly, I didn't even realize there was such a clear distinction to be made. It will be interesting to see what the current MN Breeding Bird Atlas project will tell us about how the Sandhill Cranes are distributed for nesting. It's that kind of wide, long-term, data-gathering would seem important as a basis for the kind of decision in question. Perhaps that sort of information is available, but folks making the policies just haven't communicated it well Linda Whyte
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Bernard P. Friel <[email protected]> wrote: > The process is for among other matters to share information and to ally any > concerns, reasonable or unreasonable that someone might have regarding > impacts on populations. Furthermore if our science is as unassailable as has > been suggested, we wouldn't be cleaning up the Gulf. > -- > Bernard P. Friel > Member: > North American Nature Photography Association > American Society of Picture Professionals > International Society of Aviation Photography > The Explorers Club > Web Pages - http://www.wampy.com ; > http://www.wampy.com/bn Owl Gallery > http://www.wampy.com/bn2 Songbirds > http://www.wampy.com/GalapagosGallery > http://myloupe.com/home/found_photographer.php?photographer=1113 > On Line Gallery: http://www.fiveships.com > > > > >> From: Eric Harrold <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: Eric Harrold <[email protected]> >> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:49:25 -0700 >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue >> (SHCR) >> >> I don't buy the notion that MOST birders objecting to the crane season on >> this >> forum are doing so because of perceived circumvention of the process by the >> DNR. Do they really think the DNR would propose a season or set bag limits >> that would seriously threaten breeding crane populations? I think this is a >> convenient position to claim that disguises the real motivation to prevent >> any >> hunting of cranes on the part of some folks. Otherwise, the voiced objections >> on here would contain more intelligent questions about crane populations and >> their distribution in the state where hunting has been proposed. Instead, all >> anyone has done is cry foul about the process. I asked the following question >> in one of my first posts on this subject: Does anyone have any >> biologically-based objections to the proposed harvest? >> >> Does the DNR or USFWS conduct many/any public hearings concerning waterfowl >> season? Few to my knowledge. The flyway councils appropriately have >> significant input on such proposed seasons and take positions that are >> biologically-based. the individuals making the policy decisions here are the >> best prepared to make such decisions and do so from a scientific perspective. >> >> Eric Harrold >> Urbana, IL >> >> >> --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Liz Stanley <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> From: Liz Stanley <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue >> (SHCR) >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 1:18 PM >> >> >> I must have missed the part of the discussion that was anti-hunting. I >> thought the issue at hand was the lack of an open process for the decision >> made by the DNR. Discussing problems with the process, and debating the >> end result of it are two different things. >> >>> Folks, >>> >>> Do yourselves and more importantly bird conservation a lot of good by >>> finding something more biologically meaningful to focus on rather than >>> whether 5 or 10 Sandhill Cranes are going to be killed by hunters in >> >> >> -- >> Liz Stanley >> Bloomington, MN >> [email protected] >> Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ >> Photo gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites >> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley >> >> ---- >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html >> >> ---- >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > ---- > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > ---- Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
