At 22:33 23/02/2001 +0000, Gervase Markham wrote:
> > >So are you saying that "Zarro Boogs" should be changed to the more
> > >explicit "I didn't find your bug but that doesn't mean it's not in here.
> > >Try searching again"?
> >
> > Oh for sure. It might be amusing (though I can't recall when that actually
> > was for me), but its as informative as 'my left splonk now no longer
> > gastrosizes'.
>
>It is explained in the Help. And every project has to have fun
>idiosyncrasies. After all, we have a newsgroup called
>netscape.public.mozilla.porkjockeys.
Well its that horses for courses thing. I really don't care about
sophomore humour it doesn't get in my way but a plain old user that's just
trying to help isn't going to thank anyone for making them hit on help to
find out what a query result means.
>
> > >Are you involved with QAing or fixing them? :-) Seriously, query Bugzilla
> > >for the number of open bugs, and then ask yourself if we don't have enough
> > >to be getting on with...
> >
> > Occasionally I fix ones in the trunk yes, I fix all my own. I run a test
> > plan of three platforms here and I QA every change that happens here. The
> > number of open bugs is a red herring, would you rather have fewer open bugs
> > and a shittier product?
>
>This presupposed that filing more bugs improves the product. Given the
>amount of triage that the Netscape internal process (particularly) feels
>it has to apply to each bug, I think that we are at the point where filing
>more will actually reduce quality, because developers will spend more time
>sifting through them and less time fixing stuff.
Sometimes I'd _like_ developers to spend more time sifting bugs, it might
give them a better perspective on product health (which is at a low at the
moment), rather than on detail.
>
>I also think that all the major issues with Mozilla have been spotted by
>now! And even if they haven't, why don't we take a month, fix loads of
>stuff, and then let people see what's still a problem?
That would be nice but there have been 4 major landings in the past 14 days
I think. This is the process. Its never going to take breath and pause to
find out its in the mire, the front legs are paddling out to the shore, the
back legs are out of their depth. In the end it will be better and will be
more adaptive but reducing the feedback of bugs, duplicates or not, will
only hinder not improve the process. Out of control development means out
of control QA also.
Simon
>Gerv
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