"Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." wrote:
>
> "Simon P. Lucy" wrote:
> >
> > At 21:32 13/03/2001 -0500, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> > >the problem is that plugins are broke (MAC) . and the applications menu
> > >as it should work is broken (at least in MAC and maybe others). And
> > >therefore even if you had correct plugin you can't set it (at least Mac
> > >and Maybe others. And even if you could set it only would last only one
> > >session (at least Mac and maybe others).
> > >
> > >And if only on the mac that it doesn't work right. where the $%^&*( are
> > >the Mac Developers.
> > >
> > >I'm sick and tired of PC and Unix making Tons of progress and the Mac
> > >Community being treated as a "Red-Headed Step Child".
> >
> > You can't blame developers for that. As it happens progress is slower on
> > all platforms because of idiosyncrasies on the Mac, or more accurately
> > builds failing on the Mac and the time taken to verify builds on the
> > Mac. It isn't helped by there seeming to be a lot fewer Mac users actually
> > making bug reports than on any other platform.
>
> Maybe that's because, they feel as I am begining to, that developers
> don't give a rats a.. what Mac people think. after 18 years on the
> market, Mac people still aren't taken seriously. (Maybe if we ignore
> them they will go away.) So they ignore us.
>
> >
> > The more eyes the better the quality.
> >
> > >The Mac platform has been a legimate platform since 1983. and with OS X
> > >(ten) coming out may be around at least another 17 years or more.
> > >Despite PC and Unix peoples wishing to the contrary we are not going
> > >away. So let us stop all this platform revenge, get together and fix
> > >"all the platforms on the same track at the same time at the same rate.
> > >Most Mac Program are programed in C++ or using USERLAND Frontier. IF
> > >your a Developer, you ought to have enough smarts to develop in any
> > >platform. And use any tools available.
> >
> > Fine. It also requires finance. As I've said before there is no economic
> > reason for any non Mac developer to make the investment in time and money
> > to acquire the non-open tools and tackle the wrongheadedness of so much
> > that the Mac has for developers to work around. That's nothing to do with
> > UI, but all to do with OS restrictions.
> >
> > There is no open source Mac community of developers. Macs as machines for
> > users may not go away but as development platforms they suck, until that
> > changes and until the cost of development approaches Linux its not going to
> > happen.
>
> OS X will be a three layer system. It supposed to be out sometime in April.
>
> Aqua on top
>
> (the interface) so we don't have to type 50 line commands to do things.
> Although we will be able to use command lines if we wish.
>
> BSD4.4 Unix in the middle.
>
> Mach kernel in the center.
>
> Any unix programs capable of running on BSD UNIX will run on the Mac.
> From my understanding of the unix community there a gazillions of
> programing stuff for unix. Supposedly we will even be using Apache for internet.
>
The official countdown on Apple's site <http://www.apple.com/macosx/>
says 10 days from today 'till OSX ships.
And, yes, I heard that OSX will ship with Apache in place of Apple's
Pesonal Web Sharing (or whatever it was called).
Justin H.
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Since when has deniability EVER been plausible?
