At 14:52 14/03/2001 -0500, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
>"Simon P. Lucy" wrote:
> >
> > At 21:32 13/03/2001 -0500, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> > >the problem is that plugins are broke (MAC) . and the applications menu
> > >as it should work is broken (at least in MAC and maybe others). And
> > >therefore even if you had correct plugin you can't set it (at least Mac
> > >and Maybe others. And even if you could set it only would last only one
> > >session (at least Mac and maybe others).
> > >
> > >And if only on the mac that it doesn't work right. where the $%^&*( are
> > >the Mac Developers.
> > >
> > >I'm sick and tired of PC and Unix making Tons of progress and the Mac
> > >Community being treated as a "Red-Headed Step Child".
> >
> > You can't blame developers for that. As it happens progress is slower on
> > all platforms because of idiosyncrasies on the Mac, or more accurately
> > builds failing on the Mac and the time taken to verify builds on the
> > Mac. It isn't helped by there seeming to be a lot fewer Mac users actually
> > making bug reports than on any other platform.
>
>Maybe that's because, they feel as I am begining to, that developers
>don't give a rats a.. what Mac people think. after 18 years on the
>market, Mac people still aren't taken seriously. (Maybe if we ignore
>them they will go away.) So they ignore us.
Macs aren't taken seriously in this context by developers because the cost
of entry is too high in both time and tools. There is no commercial
justification for me developing on a Mac, if someone wants to come up with
a project that will earn around $15,000 minimum then that would change.
> >
> > The more eyes the better the quality.
> >
> > >The Mac platform has been a legimate platform since 1983. and with OS X
> > >(ten) coming out may be around at least another 17 years or more.
> > >Despite PC and Unix peoples wishing to the contrary we are not going
> > >away. So let us stop all this platform revenge, get together and fix
> > >"all the platforms on the same track at the same time at the same rate.
> > >Most Mac Program are programed in C++ or using USERLAND Frontier. IF
> > >your a Developer, you ought to have enough smarts to develop in any
> > >platform. And use any tools available.
> >
> > Fine. It also requires finance. As I've said before there is no economic
> > reason for any non Mac developer to make the investment in time and money
> > to acquire the non-open tools and tackle the wrongheadedness of so much
> > that the Mac has for developers to work around. That's nothing to do with
> > UI, but all to do with OS restrictions.
> >
> > There is no open source Mac community of developers. Macs as machines for
> > users may not go away but as development platforms they suck, until that
> > changes and until the cost of development approaches Linux its not going to
> > happen.
>
>OS X will be a three layer system. It supposed to be out sometime in April.
>
>Aqua on top
>
>(the interface) so we don't have to type 50 line commands to do things.
>Although we will be able to use command lines if we wish.
>
>BSD4.4 Unix in the middle.
>
>Mach kernel in the center.
I'd still have to buy hardware to get started and I'm less than convinced
that existing Mac and iMac users will upgrade. So if you upgrade to X and
a port is finished (which no doubt will happen) do you want the Mac port to
die?
Simon
>Any unix programs capable of running on BSD UNIX will run on the Mac.
> >From my understanding of the unix community there a gazillions of
>programing stuff for unix. Supposedly we will even be using Apache for
>internet.
>
> > Simon
> >
> > =================================================
> > I miss conversations where the shuttlecocks at one end
> > become graceful missiles at the other and are returned with kisses
> > and where the score in the game is never kept
> > SPL
>
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If I'd known I would spend so much time sorting and rearranging boxes
I'd have paid more attention at kindergarten
S.P. Lucy
