[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, N. Marshall
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> I haven't used Netscape email since I got Outlook, because Outlook is
>>> simply so much more advanced, slick, and usable.
>>
>>How is it more advanced, slick, and usable. What features do you use in
>>outlook which you would like to see in mozilla mail and news?
>
> Contact manager. Calendar/scheduler. Professional-looking and -working
> UI.
>
>> Have you
>>filed any enhancement requests/looked for some of them in bugzilla?
>
> God no! I don't want to bring the whole thing to a dead stop!
>
Hmmm... I seem to remember reading one of your posts indicating that Moz
WAS dead. How can feature requests bring a dead thing to a dead stop?
Obviously, you do see progress.
>> If
>>you find any in bugzilla can you post them here? I'd really like to see
>>a list.
>>
>>From what I've seen of outlook, it's pretty much the same except the
>>list on the left uses large icons instead of a list.
>
> You haven't seen much of Outlook then. If it had a decent newsreader in
> it, I'd have completely dumped Nav4.7x long ago.
>
You keep comparing Moz's Mail/News with Outlook. Shouldn't you compare it
to Outlook Express? Last I looked, Outlook was part of MS Office and
certainly not a free download as part of a browser suite. Moz's Mail/News
compares very favorably to Outlook Express, I think. Though, admittedly, I
rarely use Outlook Express (Netscape 4.7x at work, KMail at home). Can you
change your e-mail identity while composing a message in Outlook Express?
That's a feature of Moz that I think is great. I also like the layout of
the accounts and the account preferences dialogs. Yes, they need polish,
but a good framework is there. I wish the developers would see the need for
Return Receipts handling, but I suspect that to become a 1.x feature if it
ever becomes a feature. Such is open source, I guess. Features that the
developers want get in first.
I've gotta say, though, that I've enjoyed reading your many posts recently.
You make a lot of valid points, interspersed between the trollishness of
your posts. I think it does serve it's purpose. Indeed you are correct in
your squeeky wheel getting the greese. But, oftentimes, the damn wheel gets
discarded if it squeeks incessantly.
You seem to have a very negative outlook on Moz that I don't share
(at least as it's protrayed in your posts -- are you REALLY as sour on Moz
as your posts indicate?). While I am disappointed in the speed at which
they're progressing to 1.0 to say they're not making progress is simply
wrong. Obviously, since you're following the project, and downloading
nightlies, you think it's progressing, too. To judge it's impact on usage
statistics is short-sighted. Moz is nowhere near ready for general use
(yeah yeah -- three years SHOULD be plenty of time to build a browser...),
as either Mozilla or Netscape 6 (an abomination, AOL at it's best/worst).
But, I believe there are plenty of people waitng on Moz 1.0, and the next
Netscape release (6.1, 6.5, 7.0, whatever they'll call it). I think
Mozilla WILL have a real impact. (ah... maybeI 'm a religious fanatic,
too...).
Granted, the mail/news needs alot of work. Spit and polish, bug fixing,
that kind of thing. But it's shaping up. It's a damn site better than it
was when Netscape 6 first came out. And its significantly better than it
was as recently as Moz 0.8 and 0.8.1. But it's a far cry from being ready.
I suspect we're gonna see several 0.9.x releases before 1.0 and I think
that's a good thing.
But, the browser client as represented by the last few nightlies I've
downloaded has been very quick. Much better than Netscape 4.7 and slightly
better than MSIE 5 on My 1.2 GHz Athlon running Win2K (yes, I know). It's
still a little tough to use on my Pentium 233, though. It is improving on
mid range hardware, though. The browser was much snappier on my son's
K6-2-500 than it had been, even better than MSIE 5. But plug-in support
seems to be lacking (else he'd be using it instead of MSIE), He likes his
Shockwave games, he does.
I suspect, though, that you'll pass me off as just another Moz evangelist
(maybe I am), but I think it's progressing nicely and I'm looking forward
to it one day becoming a great product.
Regards,
Tim
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