Bill Lee wrote:
>
> Fabian Guisset wrote:
>
>>Bart Meerdink wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Maybe this is flamebait in this newsgroup, but that's not my intention.
>>>
>>Too bad. This is not only a flamebait, it is also an insult to the project.
>>
>>Fabian.
>>
>>
> We, as public testers, are constantly told upon complaining/reporting
> problems: "Don't use nightlies, they are too unpredictable. Wait for
> the Milestones." But as things are now, even the milestones are
> unpredictable. I don't see this post as flamebait, but as an
> observation. I don't mind missing/incomplete features in the
> Milestones, but I don't expect the trouble I've been having the last few
> months. And I don't expect to have to spend half my time trying to get
> it to work. No one's going to test this thing under these conditions.
>
> Again, I have the highest regard for the Browser half of Mozilla. It
> absolutely kicks ass. All my gripes (AND talkback filings (4 so far
> today)) are with Mail/News. I see the great potential of Mail/News and
> when it "is" working, I love it. I'm just that much more bothered when
> it crashes more as time goes on rather than less. (and I am talking
> about Milestone .9, not the nightlies) You see how great this is when
> using it, and 2 hours later is crashes so hard you have to delete the
> whole thing, kill registry.dat, kill the .msf files, reinstall,
> reconfigure all your mail, newsgroups, profiles, etc. etc. etc.
>
> I expect "some" trouble with Moz, but when the usable time is outweighed
> by the setup/configuring/REinstalling/REconfiguring time...
>
> I also consider it idiotic when people using only the browser half weigh
> in with "I'M not having any problems!" Please.
>
> bl
>
Where did you hear that? I've always been told that if you
truly want to get involved in the testing, get a nightly,
since it has all the most recent code and bug fixes.
Reporting bug in a milestone can be useless since the
nightly may already have that problem fixed.
Nightlies are not as unpredictable as they seem, since you
can check to see if there are any major problems that might
affect you before you try a nightly:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&email1=&emailtype1=substring&emailassigned_to1=1&email2=&emailtype2=substring&emailreporter2=1&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&changedin=1&votes=&chfield=%5BBug+creation%5D&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&product=Browser&product=MailNews&short_desc=&short_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=substring&status_whiteboard=&status_whiteboard_type=substring&keywords=&keywords_type=anywords&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=&cmdtype=doit&newqueryname=&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time
The link above is to Bugzilla's "Bugs Already Reported
Today" list. Blockers are listed on top, next are critical
ones. Looking at this link before I try a build has saved me
from downloading a horrendous build on many occasions.
I can't speak for the milestones since I haven't used them
in months. When I used to use them, the milestones were
generally more predictable, but only GENERALLY. They are
still test software just like the nightlies.
What configuring time are you talking about? Are you talking
about profile problems?
As a Mail/News user, I do know what you're talking about.
Regressions aside, things have generally improved and been
speedier, but a LOT more still needs to be done.
--
Alex <:3)~~
http://www.gerbilbox.com/newzilla/
