Ian Hickson wrote:
>
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote:
> >
> > As for the "4 times", it was stated by somebody in .performance only
> > a week or so ago to be ~8 times slower [than IE].
>
> Yes. Things are moving fast.
>
At the speed of light, I'd say! As in three light-YEARS and counting.
> > I have no way to directly compare myself, so I can only repeat what
> > I've heard from others.
>
> On local network stress testing of page loading on an ~800 MHz Windows
> 2000 machine with 512MB of RAM (IIRC), IE scores in the 200ms per page
> load range and recent Mozilla builds score in the 800ms per page load
> range. (These are the results for jrgm's tests on hyatt's machine.)
>
Are you referring to your post,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>? That's
actually the one I was thinking of too! I love this part:
"
>> Here it is in an easily digestible nutshell.
>>
>> SeaMonkey - 830[ms]
>> MFCEmbed - 700[ms]
>>
>> Difference - 130[ms]
> All in all I think this is a very acceptable differance, though that's not a
> reason to [not] try to decrease it...
To put this in perspective... 130ms is about 40% of the TOTAL time for
IE6
on the same machine.
"
OUCH! Sounds to me like we're on the same side of the issue, Hixie!
But I have to hand it to you again, I did in fact miss the "40% of the
TOTAL time" part, you got me! So to sum up, this was the sarcastic
comment I should have posted, and which I would have had this data been
easily accessible:
[whoever said:] "With the preloader for Windows, the difference [between
IE and Mathuzilla] is nothing."
[my sarcastic comment should have been:] "Except 10MB and 4 times slower
rendering."
Are we friends again? You're not going to sue me, are ya Hixie?
> Naturaly, it does vary based on the configuration.
>
Where's the charts or better yet graphs comparing the two, Mr. Hickson?
I can't seem to find them anywhere. I can find a few scattered examples
of Maozilla *only* tests, but what good do they do anybody when they
lack the critical context that *you* *yourself* point out as necessary?
> >> I refer people who want to know the accurate numbers to the
> >> n.p.mozilla.performance newsgroup.
> > Well that's the rub, ain't it Hixie? There really are no official,
> > reproducable numbers in .performance or anywhere else as to
> > Maozilla's performance in relation to either its predecessor or IE,
> > is there?
>
> Well, actually there are. Daily and weekly numbers.
>
Daily numbers? Sorry Mr. Hickson, .performance often goes *days*
without ANY posts whatsoever! You must be reading off Netscape's "For
AOL Eyes Only" feed.
> > Where's the charts and graphs showing Mathuzilla's progress on
> > rendering time, memory hoggage, etc, compared to these other
> > browsers?
>
> Well, oddly enough, charts and graphs are regularly posted to the
> newsgroup I mentioned. Look for posts by jrgm, PaulW, and Sairuh.
>
Regularly? No. The only thing I can find that's even an attempt at
that is the page by Curt Patrick, and again, those lack any context by
which to judge them by.
> > Let me guess: behind a firewall.
>
> Only one of the tests (to my knowledge) is behind a firewall, and that
> is purely for technical reasons (the content comes from real web sites
> and so copyright issues prevent Netscape from making the tests
> publically available).
"Reasons of National Security", I see.
> The results are published regularly. I once
> again refer the interested reader to the performance newsgroup, where
> one will find charts and graphs for many things such as page
> rendering, page loading over a network, startup time, preferences
> display, bookmarks and so on.
>
> Should the Netscape (AOL) numbers be doubted by anyone, I strongly
> encourage these people to create and run their own tests and publish
> the results and graphs regularly. Past experience has shown that
> easily obtainable hard numbers are an amazing motivator.
>
Hard to doubt numbers you can't find.
> HTH,
> --
> Ian Hickson )\ _. - ._.) fL
> Netscape, Standards Compliance QA /. `- ' ( `--'
> +1 650 937 6593 `- , ) - > ) \
> irc.mozilla.org:Hixie _________________________ (.' \) (.' -' __________
