On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote:
>> Yes. Things are moving fast.
> At the speed of light, I'd say! As in three light-YEARS and
> counting.
Never mind the dimensional flaw in that statement.
>>> I have no way to directly compare myself, so I can only repeat
>>> what I've heard from others.
>> On local network stress testing of page loading on an ~800 MHz
>> Windows 2000 machine with 512MB of RAM (IIRC), IE scores in the
>> 200ms per page load range and recent Mozilla builds score in the
>> 800ms per page load range. (These are the results for jrgm's tests
>> on hyatt's machine.)
> Are you referring to your post, [...]
I wasn't referring to any particular post.
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>? That's
> actually the one I was thinking of too! I love this part:
>|
>|>> Difference [between seamonkey and mfc embed] - 130[ms]
>| To put this in perspective... 130ms is about 40% of the TOTAL time
>| for IE6 on the same machine.
>
> OUCH! Sounds to me like we're on the same side of the issue, Hixie!
Side? Issue? I'm merely trying to correct the misinformation you are
putting out. I certainly have not denied that Mozilla is slower than
IE. Like I said, we are currently four times slower than IE at
rendering typical web pages.
> [whoever said:] "With the preloader for Windows, the difference
> [between IE and Mathuzilla] is nothing."
>
> [my sarcastic comment should have been:] "Except 10MB and 4 times
> slower rendering."
I'm glad you are admitting your errors. Now if only you would avoid
making them in the first place.
>> Naturaly, it does vary based on the configuration.
> Where's the charts or better yet graphs comparing the two?
Comparing the two what? Two configurations?
Assuming you mean IE vs Mozilla (in which case more accurate context
quoting would be in order), then they are not posted (for page
rendering) on a regular basis, since the IE numbers never change.
Check your newsgroups archives for old posts.
>>> There really are no official, reproducable numbers in .performance
>>> or anywhere else as to Maozilla's performance in relation to
>>> either its predecessor or IE, is there?
>> Well, actually there are. Daily and weekly numbers.
> Daily numbers? Sorry Mr. Hickson, .performance often goes *days*
> without ANY posts whatsoever! You must be reading off Netscape's
> "For AOL Eyes Only" feed.
As has been mentioned by others in this thread, this statement would
seem to indicate you have misconfigured your browser. npm.performance
is a relatively high-traffic newsgroup (relative to other Mozilla
newsgroups, that is). There are at _least_ daily posts of the page
rendering speed graph.
>>> Where's the charts and graphs showing Mathuzilla's progress on
>>> rendering time, memory hoggage, etc, compared to these other
>>> browsers?
>>
>> Well, oddly enough, charts and graphs are regularly posted to the
>> newsgroup I mentioned. Look for posts by jrgm, PaulW, and Sairuh.
>
> Regularly? No. The only thing I can find that's even an attempt at
> that is the page by Curt Patrick, and again, those lack any context
> by which to judge them by.
You most definitely have a configuration (or user) error on your end.
Might this also explain the way you frequently ignore posts showing
your ignorance, in fact?
>>> Let me guess: behind a firewall.
>>
>> Only one of the tests (to my knowledge) is behind a firewall, and
>> that is purely for technical reasons (the content comes from real
>> web sites and so copyright issues prevent Netscape from making the
>> tests publically available).
>
> "Reasons of National Security", I see.
Uh, no. It's called international copyright law, maybe you've heard of it?
>> Should the Netscape (AOL) numbers be doubted by anyone, I strongly
>> encourage these people to create and run their own tests and
>> publish the results and graphs regularly. Past experience has shown
>> that easily obtainable hard numbers are an amazing motivator.
>
> Hard to doubt numbers you can't find.
See above.
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