Matthew Thomas wrote:
> David Tenser wrote:
>>This article is actually written by a staff member of Mozilla,> 
> Thankyou, David, for giving me a good laugh there.

Sorry about the misinformation. I wasn't aware of the fact that there is 
such a big difference between a staff member and "UI Design component 
default assignee thing"!

> 
> 
>>>>if you think most people desire a different toolbar layout than
>>>>the default, you're thinking too much like a technical user.
>>>>
> 
> That is true for most programs, but not for Mozilla, because the default
> in Mozilla is wrong. The non-technical majority would find Mozilla more
> pleasant to use if the default was more like almost every other browser
> -- that is, a toolbar at the top, the address bar underneath it, and the
> bookmarks bar underneath that. That way, for example, people could go to
> their home page or open the History window with a simple click on a
> toolbar button.
> 
> So you have the worst of both worlds. Those people who normally *would*
> want to customize their toolbar can't, and those people who normally
> *wouldn't* want to customize it end up wishing they could.

Exactly. How long will it take before these things change to the better? 
Blake Moss scared me by saying:

"[mpt] is the default assignee for that component [...]  It is likely, 
furthermore, that this component is going away."

Is this true?


> 
> 
>>...
>>You are probably both right. Most people don't need to customize the
>>toolbar,
>>
> 
> That's partly because most people use a browser which has better defaults.
> 
> 
>>         but I'd say the standard toolbar, as it is designed now, is
>>very limited and not very user friendly. I still think that all these
>>suggestions should be implemented, and I still think this is more
>>important than skin support. Skin support is really just eye candy,
>>but toolbars allow you to be more productive.
>>...
>>
> 
> Right. All skin support gets you is the ability to look inconsistent
> with the platform. Looking inconsistent is fine if people spend most of
> the time just looking at the program (e.g. MP3 players), but if they
> actually use the program then inconsistency is a bug.





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