David Tenser wrote:
> 
> Matthew Thomas wrote:
>...
> > So you have the worst of both worlds. Those people who normally
> > *would* want to customize their toolbar can't, and those people who
> > normally *wouldn't* want to customize it end up wishing they could.
> 
> Exactly. How long will it take before these things change to the
> better?

For the most part, it's the same as anything else in Mozilla: `until
someone fixes it'.

At the moment the blocker is that someone needs to draw icons, for both
normal and pressed states in both Classic and Modern, for the following:
*   Back
*   Forward
*   Stop
*   Reload
*   Home
*   Search
*   Bookmarks
*   History
*   Mail/News
*   Composer

(There will be more icons needed once the Toolbar becomes customizable,
but those ten are enough for starters.)

Classic has icons for a few of those, and Modern has icons for the first
four, but neither set are particularly good -- the Classic icons look
crappy with the nsITheme toolbars in Windows XP and Mac OS X (and
arguably looked crappy even in 4.x), while the Modern icons are
unnecessarily difficult to distinguish and won't work when the
text/icons/both option is implemented.

Up to now, Mozilla's icons have been drawn by people in the Netscape UE
department, and icons drawn by anyone else have pretty thoroughly been
ignored. However, Netscape UE appears to want Mozilla (and Netscape, by
extension) to remain a niche browse for geeks, so they are unwilling to
contribute icons to make the Toolbar more usable. So, in this case it's
not just `until someone fixes it'; once someone contributes the icons,
there is also political work to do to get the improvements checked in.

> Blake Moss scared me by saying:

It's Blake Ross.

> "[mpt] is the default assignee for that component [...]  It is likely,
> furthermore, that this component is going away."
> 
> Is this true?
>...

That was the first I'd heard of it.

-- 
Matthew `mpt' Thomas, Mozilla UI Design component default assignee thing
<http://mpt.phrasewise.com/>

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