On 03/14/2002 11:46 AM, Brian Heinrich wrote: > Bundy wrote: >> Brian Heinrich typed: >> >>> Bundy wrote: >>> >>>> Karl typed: >>>> >>>>> Mozilla 0.9.9 doesn't display www.drudgereport.com correctly. One of >>>>> the most popular Web sites. >>>>> >>>>> Karl >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bug that deals with the horizontal line <hr> within a table tag with >>>> height attrabutes. The tag is W3C (like they matter) complaint >>>> although the site isn't, like most site. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kyle >>>> >>> >>> Um, Kyle, lemme ask you this: Can you imagine trying to design a web >>> site if all there were were proprietary tags? The W3C matters. A lot. >> >> >> Not to a lot of webmasters. What matters is if the page looks good on MS >> Explorer while using Front Page to compose it. Heck, mozilla.org isn't >> totally compliant. Why waste time (which is money) trying to get your >> website to work for a small minority of web surfers? Drudge could very >> easily fix the site by getting rid of the height tag on those two tables >> that don't load right and make no sense to the outlook of his page. But >> then again, since they are compliant, why should he? >> >> >>> So do standards. Think of all the [insert favourite denigrating >>> term here] who're still using NN 4.x and wondering why pages don't >>> display correctly, &c. And, slowly, there seem to be more and more >>> sites that use valid mark-up, which seems to me to be a good thing. >>> >>> — Brian >>> >> >> > > Unfortunately, you're right. Too many Web authors fixate on how things > appear in IE. > > Don't use FrontPage, so I can't comment, though a friend of mine excused > some bad mark-up on his site by referring to some 'old HTML' that > 'wasn't necessary in FrontPage' (?!), like FrontPage was a mark-up > language that had somehow superceded [X]HTML. The same guy has also > said that IE's dominance of the browser market makes /it/ the /de facto/ > standard, and that W3C standards therefore don't matter. > > That's a problem that needs to be addressed and publicised. Using valid > [X]HTML and CSS on your pages and publicising the fact is one place to > begin. Something like the WaSP's browser up-grade initiative is also > helpful; so, perhaps is the 'Any Browser' initiative (though I haven't > had a chance to do more than bookmark the page). > > Something more concrete than that is needed, however. I could care less > if a surfer uses IE or NS 6+ or Moz or Opera 6 (NN 4.x is another > matter, however); I /do/ care, however, that IE mis-renders my CSS. > > Just /how/ to get that information out is another matter. Netscape and > Mozilla are at least honest enough to tell you what known > problems/issues there are with their browsers; M$ doesn't even bother to > tell you that IE launches to quickly 'cos it hi-jacks a chunk of your RAM. > > Any thoughts on how to make information like this more readily > accessible to people? > > — Brian >
Good place to start: http://www.anybrowser.org -- Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion Novell MCNE-5/CNI-Networking Technologies-OSI UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org
