And it came to pass that Martin Fritsche wrote: > Travis Crump wrote: > >> Okay, I will bite, I did a simple Google search and here >> is what I came up with: >> a) I assume you are referring to the Lagrande case. > > Yes, he did. > >> b) The German goverment was informed in 1992, seven >> years before they >> were executed. Prior to that it was unknown that they >> were German citizens and they were treated as US citizens. > > You have a link for that? My link[1] says the judiciary of > arizona knewd it since 1982.
It was noted in the arrest report that both men were "resident aliens" and German citizens. > >> c) Their guilt was never in question. > > That's not interesting here. > >> d) That they had adequate legal representation was >> never in question. > > Oh sure it is. [1] also says: > > Also the LaGrand brothers did not have a good lawyer: The > obligation defender at that time, to who for the first time > a case of death penalty was entrusted, granted later to > have been badly prepared - and of the Viennese convention > to have never heard. (Translatet with Altavista) Here's a brief filed with the International Court of Justice: http://www.icj-cij.org/icjwww/idocket/igus/iguspleadings/iGUS_ipleading_Memorial_Germany_19990916_Complete.htm > >> e) They were not executed by the US government, they >> were executed by >> the State of Arizona. There is a difference if you aren't >> familiar with our system of government and the death >> penalty isn't legal in all 50 states. > > But it is allowed by the US government. And they are both > dead now. So where exactly is the difference? > Is Germany responsible for actions taken by France? They're both in the European Union. The UNITED States is made up of 50 sovereign states, and there are strict laws about what the Federal government may or may not do. As long as the jurisdiction is within the state's boundaries, and the laws of the state are within the Constitution, the federal government may not interfere with the state government. That being said, the LeGrand case was clearly mishandled from the outset, and is another example of the Supreme Court's fallibility. -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( Dionysian Reveler So close, no matter how far... couldn't be much more from the heart. Forever trusting who we are, and nothing else matters. To reply: xjahnATyahooDOTcom
