Come on Craig. What is there in Nathan's post that is suburb bashing?
Polemics and ideology in small doses are fun, but it seems to me your
reaction is a knee-jerk ideological response. What are the facts that you
are arguing? I'm reminded of a George Orwell quote which I can only
paraphrase: BEWARE OF PEOPLE WHO THINK IN SLOGANS AND SPIT BULLETS.
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, craig miller wrote:
> Nothing like some good suburb bashing. Nothing like telling the suburban
> legislators what you think about them. It makes a jolly of a time when the
> city is before legislative committees controlled by suburbanites.
>
> Craig Miller
> Rogers MN
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan Hunstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Mpls list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, January 19, 2001 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mpls] Minneapolis and the Crosstown
>
>
> > It is my understanding that the cities can't agree for the same reason
> >they couldn't agree over three decades ago when they started construction:
> >neither city wants to tear down houses and businesses. Neither city wanted
> >to do that when I-35W was first proposed. The original design had I-35W
> >gently curving to the southwest at its junction with the Crosstown. But
> >such a diagonal route would mean more right-of-way needed than the straight
> >north-south routes Richfield and Minneapolis wanted. Minneapolis wouldn't
> >move I-35W west, Richfield wouldn't move it east, so it was duplexed with
> >the Crosstown. Selah.
> > To fix this interchange properly would necessitate a few things. The
> >first option would be to bite the bullet and do what engineers wanted to do
> >in the first place: bend I-35W so it doesn't share a road with 62. Of
> >course, that would mean tearing down neighborhoods again. We could build a
> >new I-35W above 62, stacking the freeway like they do in California. But
> >that would be ugly and expensive. Or you could bury the freeway like they
> >are doing in downtown Boston. That would take several presidential cycles,
> >based on how long it is taking at the Big Dig. Besides, changing the
> >project would mean going through the process again: planning, environmental
> >impact statements, the whole mess.
> > Regarding building our way out of congestion: of course we could do it.
> >Just look at the above options. The question is whether we want to do
> this.
> >I don't. I commute 20 minutes down University Avenue; no problem here. If
> >highway projects to the outlying 'burbs were financed by those 'burbs --
> for
> >example, if Eden Prairie, Chanhassen, and Chaska were the ones paying for
> >the 212 expansion -- I wouldn't care as much. But I don't need 212 or 610.
> >I have seen what is happening to Brooklyn Park with the new 610. Where
> >there was nothing a few years ago, now there are bright gas stations all
> >over the place, along with housing developments that look like mushrooms
> >sprouting up on a farm. Ugly, ugly, ugly.
> > Regarding light rail along I-35W: if I remember correctly, this was the
> >original alignment. It would sure make a lot more sense than running the
> >line from a place where few live through a place where people just travel
> >through to end in a place where nobody lives. I will spare the PRT rant
> for
> >now.
> >
> >
> >===
> >Nathan Hunstad
> >Marcy-Holmes
> >Minneapolis, MN
> >(612) 331-7766 -- Home (612) 598-6484 -- Wireless
> >
> >"Standing on a hill in my mountain of dreams,
> >Telling myself it's not as hard . . . hard . . . hard as it seems"
> >--Led Zeppelin
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