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Ms. Becker's point about labelling is fair enough. Although labels have
some justification in order to summarize positions, it is fair to ask that
one's positions be addressed substantively (which I think Tim Connolly did
do on his last post). (BTW, for clarification, I did not label Minn an
"idiot" - whatever my impressions of Minn, I do not believe he is an idiot;
the header for my message did label his quote in the Star Tribune as
"idiotic" - quite different from calling a person a idiot. I could have
used another word but it was frustrating to have spent 12 hours at a
convention and then get dismissed as an extremist)..
But as to the discussion at hand about the endorsement convention, I
participated from the 8th Ward, which had a really low turnout - I would be
the lowerst of any ward (it would be interesting if anyone has access to
those statistics). This seemed to be very significant because it was the
Mayor's home ward which she represented as council member before she moved
to her current home along the River. I took it to be an indicator that the
Mayor has really lost most of her original base.
I do not buy for a moment that the Mayor's supporters did not show up
because they believed she had it locked up. The delegates are all activists
and must have some degree of political commitment given that they already
had to participate in the lengthy caucus system last year to become
delegates in the first place. If they were enthusiastic about the Mayor,
her "supporters" would have shown up to make sure she got the endorsement.
Especially with the pre-eminence of cellphones, it was easy for campaigns to
get call their supportive delegates to the convention when voting was taking
place. The bottom line is that the Mayor's opposition was ready to attend
the convention is larger numbers and more likely to hang around as long as
necessary to defeat her, whereas a lower number of the Mayor's supporters
were willing to do either.
It was difficult for anyone to spend up to 12 hours at a convention. One
very common problem that I heard from people on all sides was that they
could not not attend or had to leave because they have children. Is there
any particular reason that the DFL is unable to provide child care at its
planned long events?
Jordan Kushner
Powderhorn, Ward 8
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> Response to Mr. Connolly and shilling:
>
> The way to minimize a person is to hang a label on them. This allows you
to
> more easily dismiss them. In the last week, on this list, I have been
> called anti-environmentalist, pro-big business, part of a political
machine,
> and accused by you of shilling. I am not the only person on this list
that
> some folks on this list are attempting to do this to. (for example, the
> Minn idiot post from a couple days ago) It would be my preference that
> instead of dismissing me by labeling me, that you address the issues that
I
> bring up and avoid labeling me.
>
> Perhaps this will help: "The opinions expressed by Carol Becker are her
own
> and are owned by no one other than her."
>
> Response to Mr. Connolly and being spun:
>
> If you feel you are being spun, I would be more than happy to give you the
> list of 12th Ward delegates for you to talk to. I have. I cannot speak
> about any other wards than my own, but I can report on what people told me
> from my ward. I would invite you to do the same. I would just ask that
you
> refrain from making sweeping statements about non-attendance until you
speak
> to delegates who did not attend.
>
> Response to Mr. Peterson and minutia:
>
> I do spend a lot of time on this list explaining government and how it
> works. Mr. Connolly, for example, in one of his posts several days ago
> spoke incorrectly about the assessment process and I did post information
> about that. There may be individuals who see this as minutia and if that
is
> true, I apologize. I think getting facts correct are important because we
> build perception about an issue from facts. Your statements about
"palatial
> suites" and "closed doors" are simply inaccurate. My understanding about
> the reason that the doors were closed was that the people selling food
> needed a place to pile their garbage. The insinuations about secret
closed
> door things going on are simply inaccurate.
>
> Response to Mr. Connolly and gardens:
>
> I myself just planted all my assorted alliums in the rain. Maybe it is
just
> us anti-environmentalists who are crazy enough to plant in the rain.
>
> Carol Becker
> Longfellow
>
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