Thank you Mike Dorn for giving this issue a real-life perspective. And
thank you Jesse Ventura for having the political courage to call their
bluff. This is why I voted for you and why I would vote for you again. If
they really thought this issue could pass on its merits, they wouldn't have
tried to stick it into an omnibus appropriations bill, in a way that your
line item veto cannot apply.
I am a lurker who rarely posts, and I am not politcally active in any party,
but that doesn't mean I don't have opinions and that I don't see what's
going on. I suspect I am not alone.
But I love this forum. It's like Washington Journal on C-Span. Every
outrageous accusation is eventually answered by someone better informed. I
appreciate that.
Janie Bygness
SW Minneapolis
----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Dorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: MPD: The MCCL Way
> On Wed, 16 May 2001, "Dan Rosenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Why are all the pro-abortion people so upset over this 24 waiting
period?
> >It is not going to stop anyone from having an abortion that really wants
> >one. It may stop someone who is sitting on the fence and it would then
> >result in no abortion. What's wrong with that? Or could it be that the
left
> >loves to see as many abortions as possible? Dan Rosenberg, Chaska
> >
> Once again, this needs to be explained to folks...
>
> Only two points this time, then I'll shut up. (Really, some of us have
other
> things we'd like to do with our time, if only the fundies would quit
trying to
> remake the world in their own twisted religious image whenever our backs
are
> turned.)
>
> 1) ON WHY A 24-HOUR WAIT IS A SERIOUS VIOLATION
>
> Let's talk about small towns for a minute. I grew up in one; I know how
they
> work. You can pretty much forget about genuine adherence to rules of
equality
> or fairness regarding gender, ethnicity, race, or anything else. When it
comes
> to other people, folks will do pretty much what they're inclined to, and
what
> they're usually inclined to do is to gossip about their neighbors, hide
their
> own faults from view as deep as they can, and stay away from association
with
> anyone who might be seen as "tainted" by the all-holy majority. That can
extend
> to who you hire, who you'll rent to, who you will speak to, who you allow
to
> participate in your community. Anyone who fails to conform or breaks
taboo is
> simply asking for trouble. They can find themselves unemployable and
> marginalized very quickly.
>
> Do people in small towns have sex? Oh, yes they do! Do they always wait
until
> they are married, and then only partake with their annointed spouse? No
moreso
> than anywhere else, they just can't get caught! Are there unintended
> pregnancies? Well, when you're worried that the druggist's assistant
might
> mention something to her neighbor who has coffee every tuesday with your
> girlfriend's mother's sister, what do you suppose? And yes, even though
the
> official view is that of the Church, people from small towns DO have
abortions,
> but they have to go elsewhere for them, and they have to take precautions
> against anyone in town ever finding out. Because to break that ultimate
> small-town-conservative taboo is to pretty much end your life in rural
> Minnesota--time to pack up and move elsewhere, and hope nobody from your
old
> town ever talks to anybody in your new one.
>
> Now remember, there are no abortion providers in outstate Minnesota. Just
not
> allowed. Some doctors will refer patients to clinics in the
> cities--professional privacy and all that--just don't let anyone back here
know
> who sent you. So for the most part, a woman who finds herself pregnant
when she
> doesn't want to be ends up comming to a city clinic on a saturday morning
to get
> her abortion far from the eyes and ears of her neighbors. If she's really
> lucky, she'll have one friend that she trusts enough to tell, who will
risk
> making the trip to look after her. She's already agonized over the
decision for
> days and gone over all the alternatives long before she arrives at the
clinic.
> By this time, she just wants it to be over. If all goes well, she can be
back
> to work on monday morning, and nobody will ever know.
>
> What does a 24-hour waiting period do? Well, it means that she has to
take
> friday off of work, and go to the cities on a weekday. You can't do that
in a
> small town without people noticing. Starts folks a'talking. Might just
as well
> put up a sign in the front yard.
>
>
> 2) THE MCCL STEALTH-BOMB BILL
>
> If you go to the revisor's site (www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us), you can see
the
> full text of the HHS bill, including the abortion language that was added.
This
> bill was written by the folks at MCCL. It's the same language that they
tried
> to stuff down our throats in the middle of the night last year. Read it
> carefully. In particular, read the sections entitled "Definitions/Attempt
to
> perform an abortion", "Enforcement penalties/Standing" and "Injunctions".
>
> Finished reading? Good. Now ask yourself why these sections were phrased
> exactly as they were. If you have a computer background, look at it as
you
> would a program, with details that fit together and a particular design in
mind.
> Does what you find make you sick? I want to throw up every time I
realize just
> how evil those folks are; to what lengths they would actually go just to
further
> their cause. Because they wrote this thing--it's no accident!
>
> This bill is not really about forcing women to wait 24 hours. That's just
a
> "carrier", a convenient description for the press to use, something to
make it
> sound alomost reasonable. This bill is really a tool for the express use
of
> MCCL, to help them shut down clinics via frivolous injuctions.
>
> What do they need to do that?
> 1) A sympathetic judge.
> 2) A volunteer (must be female, must be pregnant, must be very committed
to the
> cause).
>
> This bill will let MCCL send a volunteer into an abortion clinic, claiming
that
> she wants to end her pregnancy. After the clinic has followed all the
rules and
> the 24 hours have passed, she arrives for her procedure. She then gets
up, says
> she's changed her mind, and leaves BEFORE the procedure has actually
started,
> but AFTER the doctor has done anything that "constitutes a substantial
step in a
> course of conduct planned to culminate in the performance of an abortion."
The
> volunteer now has legal standing to file for an injunction (with the
> carefully-selected judge, of course) that will effectively close the
clinic for
> as long as it takes the case to reach trial. It doesn't matter if the
clinic
> personnel were actually innocent of violating the 24-hour rule--the
injunction
> can still be filed based on the volunteer's claims. Since the bill allows
60
> days between the incident and the filing, they can pull this scam multiple
times
> with multiple clinics, and then file injunctions against them all,
effectively
> closing all of the abortion providers in the state at once. Because of
the way
> they define "attempt to perform an abortion", the volunteer needn't put
her own
> pregnancy at risk. A judge sympathetic to the MCCL viewpoint can grant
the
> injunctions and still be technically following the law.
>
>
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