Dave Piehl wrote:

"The real question, though, is why this gentleman, who apparently sought
treatment in January after hearing voices in his head, was not treated for
his mental condition."

I agree that this is a real and valid question, but it is not the only
question we must answer.  We must also decide, as a city, what level of
violence we can accept from our police force.  What level of force is truly
necessary, to protect the "innocent"?  (I use the quotes because the police
rarely deal with convicted fugitives, and because I consider the victim of
this most recent shooting to be an innocent man.)

The issue of police violence in Mpls is larger than their terrible record in
dealing with the mentally ill.  Their propensity to resort to violence too
quickly (in my opinion) has been reasonably well-established.  Examine the
past few years: ISAG, the four shootings of mentally ill individuals, the
shooting near Mickey's Diner--outside the MPD's jurisdiction, the shooting
of Charger which recently led to a settlement by the city... I'm sure others
could chime in with examples.  A pattern emerges.  The option of violence
must come later in the procedure handbook.  In the epilogue, say.

That said, I agree very much with Walt.  The fewer jerking knees in this
discussion the further we will be able to go.  (This includes the knee-jerk
reaction to accuse those with whom one disagrees with having jerky knees...)
And I am not interested in painting individual officers, or even the Chief,
into a villainous corner.  I'm far more interested in creating systems and
policies that reduce the possibility of events like this ever happening
again.  

In response to Scott's comment, "I do not see how the killing of Abu Kassim
sends a dangerous and frightening message to the entire [Somali] community":
could it possibly be that members and leaders ot the Somali community are of
the understandable opinion that Mr. Jeilani's life would not have been ended
by the MPD had he not been black?  Could they even--heaven forbid--be right?

Robin Garwood
Seward 
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