Cara Letofsky asks:

 >>What about income?  I suspect that's a greater factor in a market 
analysis.

Sure, income is important in a market analysis, but it always depends on 
what you are marketing or trying to market.  Unfortunately, recent data 
is not yet available.  The best we have is 1989 data, which is sample 
data (unless others out there have better sources).  But, of that sample 
data in census tract 56/1056---2,715 households received no public 
assistance, while 254 households did.  Per capita income in 1989 for 
this census tract was $17,821.  There's skads more income sampling data 
from 1989 but I'd rather wait for more recent stuff.

Tom Berthiaume wrote:

>Mr.Luce does some rather nifty slight of hand with the census data in an
>attempt to deny the facts on the ground. The census data from four
>intersecting census tracts cannot and do not measure the impact on a
>specific site. Besides it's apple and oranges.
>
>So let's just measure it the way the law does, by 1/4 mile. Within 1/4 of
>1920 LaSalle there is a population of approximately 1450 and of that
>approximately 416, in 17 separate sites, require supervised housing
>facilities, i.e., supportive housing.
>
Hey, another interesting stat from census tract 1056 (where Lydia House 
is located):  the population in group quarters since 1990 has actually 
declined by 43%, from 247 to 142.  

And, since you want to narrow things down to the site, I'll look at 
block-level data, which is approximately 1/4 mile or so depending, 
though these four blocks are conveniently about 1/4 mile and include 15 
of the 17 facilities Lydia House opponents list (the only two missing 
are the two on Clifton in Loring Park).  Of the four census blocks 
immediately adjacent (1056-1, 68-1, 57-2, and 1069-1) to Franklin and 
Nicollet:

5,788 people live in 3,409 housing units

Of these 5,788 people, 320 (or about 6%) live in group quarters, and 123 
of those, nearly half, live in a nursing home, while only 9 people total 
live in some sort of correctional facility.  All others (188) live in 
"other" noninstitutionalized group quarters.

And, while were at it, I'm also looking to compare apples to apples, so 
let's do this:

One apple:  individual living at home with his cousin, who helps him 
with day to day things.

Another apple:  disabled individual living at Lydia House with 
supportive services.

One more apple:  individual living in a private apartment building.

Have you calculated all these apples within a 1/4 mile everywhere?  Can 
you?  That is, the law says you must treat fairly those who are 
similarly situated, and an individual living in rental housing is the 
base apple, whether they receive support formally or informally or not 
at all.  Which of the apples listed is better, which has a more negative 
"impact" on the neighborhood, which one are you trying to control and 
why?  Obviously, you're trying to control the 40 or so formerly homeless 
and disabled folks who need housing and want to live in Lydia House, and 
the sole difference in this case is you KNOW they are formerly homeless 
and disabled.  I still don't see a compelling case to control folks in 
this way, other than you and others saying there are too many KNOWN 
disabled folks nearby already.  Other than disability, though, how are 
those folks different from you or me or any other renter?

Gregory Luce, your friendly good urban guy,
Project 504/Minneapolis (North Phillips)



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