James,

I am not sure from where you get your information, but this country has NOT
done more for than poor than any country ever. Germany, Sweden, Norway,
Iceland, Denmark, and numerous other European nations have far fewer people
living in poverty per capita than the United States.


Further, the pull yourself up by the bootstraps arguement is ridiculous and
a myth. There have been relatively few people who have ever pulled
themselves up by their bootstraps. Before we had institutionalized welfare
programs there were private self-help organizations that abounded across
this nation in urban areas. Unions also played a key role in provided relief
to the poor and unemployed.

The issue here is unequal and gross misdistrubition of wealth in our
society. I am interested in exactly what sort of relief efforts could have
been provided with the 30+ million dollars in tax subsidies that the City
Council provided to the downtown Target Store. I know that that Target store
has not and will never create enough jobs to justify the level of subsidies
it has recieved. This city, and the wider nation, provides millions and
billions of dollars in corporate welfare while ignoring the 45 million
people living in abject poverty in this nation.

-Brandon Lacy Campos
-Powderhorn Park


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James E Jacobsen
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:53 AM
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Subject: [Mpls] Fw: poverty


          Though some African Americans might well have the problem of not
being good 'employees', It wasn't African Americans I had observed, they
were mainly white.  And stop giving me the rationalizations.  Any
restranteur will tell you the average time of employment for a dish washer
is about 3 weeks, the ones who are still there after three weeks get
promotion and raise in pay, and the more dependable they are the more they
go up.
          In 1965 (thats 37 years ago) the LBJ admin. got war on poverty
legislation passed and this country since has done more for the poor than
any country ever and where are we now, reference poverty and associated
problems, --all the numbers are bigger--, and with continued shootings,
crime, drugs, etc..
         Figure it out.
         James Jacobsen // Whittier







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