No but I'd like an explanation of what you mean when you say: "Sorry to disappoint you, but Olin isn't much for theMy humblest apologies for mixing up Don's first name and Shane's last name- it was an honest mistake. You and Keith Ellison are both handsome gentlemen, but I can tell you apart.
theatrics. If you want a stirring sermon, hire Shane or Don Price." To my knowledge there isn't a Don Price that would in anyway be relevant to the discussion. I hope it's not another example of confusing the Black candidates such as Amy Dawson and Kari Dziedzic did of me for Keith Ellison, because frankly we're getting a little tired of the "all you Black people look alike" move.
No, and we have some white folks in this race that are pretty theatrical too. And thanks for mentioning Keith Ellison, who is certainly a man of some considerable substance. As were his predecessors in representing the near north in the legislature, representatives Gray and Jefferson.And is the implication here that the Black candidates are about theatrics?
Mark raised the concern that Olin didn't seem like he wanted to be there and that he wasn't offering anything new or exciting for solving the problems of the third ward. That's not theatrics, that's policy and interest and connection with the community. Something which both Don SAMUELS and Shane and any good councilmember has. If you're going to call that theatrics, perhaps we're working under different definitions of the word.I have yet to hear where Don Samuels stands on a number of issues- the environment, transportation, city finances, GLBT issues, etc. Shane Price has been a bit more forthcoming, and now probably wishes he wasn't- his support for a publicly financed stadium has caused a lot of consternation within the Green Party whose endorsement he bears.
And since you weren't able to be there for either of the forums and you obviously haven't spent anytime taking a serious look at Don SAMUELS, allow me to enlighten you on a few points that you're in error over.Johnathan, some of us have to work odd hours doing the messy little jobs keeping our society running- work like plowing snow, keeping the peace, delivering the goods, moving the mail, etc.. I'm sorry that us 'little people" couldn't attend the candidate forum.
First, had you been at any of these forums, read his lit, or even talked with someone since the convention, you would know that Don SAMUELS has been speaking on other issues specifically economic and community development, affordable housing, and family issues (specifically youth development).Again, my apologies for being employed, paying taxes, etc..- I take it you want me to quit my job and go on the dole so I can attend all these forums? Don Samuels did a poor job of campaigning before the endorsing convention- all he did were some last minute calls to delegates and I don't remember any substantial lit. I still think Don Samuels is a class act, but I can't in good conscience support him if I don't know where he stands on most of the issues. You may take this as an open invite to post Don Samuels' platform on this list.
In fact, had you been at the latest forum you would have notice that only comment that got loud cheers and claps, was Don's response to the question (and I'm paraphrasing question and answer here) of whether he supported the Cub development and destruction of small business and buildings, to which Don replied that he would want all of the ward's input before making a final decision,
Sounds like an evasion rather than an answer.
but that he was predisposed to supporting small business and community development partially because he couldn't see anyone saying, "Hey you're visiting Minneapolis, well be sure to check out the Riverfront it's very nice, and wait 'til you see Central Avenue, they have a really beautiful Cub over there.Every candidate supports small business, it's a no brainer. But if say General Mills wanted to build a new plant to produce organic foods that would provide a couple hundred living wage jobs, would Don Samuels support or oppose it?
Mark didn't say and nor has Don been avoiding other issues, but rather meeting them head on. Which you might have seen had you been in attendance.Again, my apologies for being working class- should I turn in my resignation today so I can make all the debates?
You think Olin's the best candidate, fine, but how about explaining what he brings rather than slighting the other candidates with unfounded and unsubstantiated assertions. Campaigns should be about identifying what everyone brings to the table and advocating for who one thinks has the best qualities, not spinning half truths and baseless comments. Races should be fought and won honorably, especially if you're going to claim to have the best candidate.Agreed- that's why I'd like to know just what issues Don Samuels is bringing to the table.
What I found interesting is Don SAMUELS has been represented as an Authentic Community Voice from the start of his campaign. Olin is now telling people he wants to be their neighborhood voice....I think it says a lot about the positions in the race when you try to co-opt the competition's message.In some ways Olin Moore is the authentic voice for all communities. He is to my knowledge the only candidate who has lived on both sides of the river. His years of work doing constituent service have prepared him well- he truly is prepared to deal with the vast diversity of issues that 3rd ward constituents raise.
Finally, again I have to take issue with you're analysis of the 3rd ward convention. I don't know how Olin can be perceived as the underdog when Mike Erlandson is hosting fundraisers for him and his wife is chair of the Congressional District.
The general assumption was that Kari Dietzic would win the endorsement.
He led on every ballot, but not because he "united the disparate voices" but because as often happens, people get tired, they want to leave or they don't like the opposing candidate.Tired- heck it was only 9 pm- Northside and Northeast DFLers can go all night! A lot of folks, myself included, did not expect an endorsement out of this 8 candidate field.
Don was the underdog and still had a larger group of support (though not among the delegates) of 3rd ward residents than Olin or Kari had there. A base which has only grown since then.I will concede that Don Samuels had the larger group of supporters, measured in decibels. I counted about 20 or so of his red shirted disciples. Even if we gave all of them that lived in the 3rd ward a vote Don Samuels would have still been in 3rd place. By contrast, Kari Dietzec and Olin Moore each had at least 30 supporters, most of them delegates. They just happened to be more respectful in their enthusiasm.
We'll see in the end who walks out of it, but if Olin does end up representing the 3rd ward, I hope he can do a better job of telling Black people apart than his supporters are.Johnathan, I voted for Don Samuels on the 2nd ballot. Are you suggesting I couldn't tell the candidates apart and that my vote for Don was a mistake?
from Hawthorne (where every race is a minority),
Dyna Sluyter
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